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jgg1970
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I wish i had good film of it, but i've played a couple teams that we just hammered them with 23 and 24. Eventually nearly all 11 players are in the tackle box. That's when we run toss. The defense thinks they're getting 23/24 and we reel off a big gain.

My take on it anyway

That is definitely what I am aiming for. My FB is a bowling ball of sinew and muscle. Going to train him by the book.

We installed 38 Power Toss tonight, HB is greased lightning with decent size. Excited.

Having some trouble timing up 47 Speed with two QB's, both pretty small for their grade.


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What are the reasons that you "don't have the QB"?

I started with am incredible passing QB who could have run the option, though underweight and prone to ankle sprains. His private school opened up middle school FB for 6th grade so we lost him.  😮

My next two best choices that I chose for QB are veteran players, know the game, are intelligent and can throw at least 15 yards to an given area on the field. They are small for 6th graders, middle to top third of the pack in speed so I don't think thet would be much of a threat on the keep.  I can just see them getting crushed in our league knowing the size and speed of my opponents and with it our season down the toilet. They'll serve well enough to hand the ball off, toss the ball and make short passes. Maybe gain a few on QB wedge sweep.

I do have one very durable FB, one textbook WB and one textbook HB and want to keep those there. The rest of the team are a mix of veteran and rookie lineman prototypes, quickest and tallest being my TE and brand new to football. Thought about him as QB but chose to go with my veterans.


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Just wondered how your 24 worked this year?  I’m looking to run this next year but wasn’t planning on running 38 option.    I too am afraid that the D will just crash down and not respect outside threat.  Thanks

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Just wondered how your 24 worked this year?  I’m looking to run this next year but wasn’t planning on running 38 option.    I too am afraid that the D will just crash down and not respect outside threat.  Thanks

Planning on running this one play or the entire offense to include this play ? 23/24 are non-negotiable plays to run, and run well, if you want to run this offense. You don't have to run 38 option, most run 38 power toss instead of the option to get outside to the right.

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Thanks for responding.    I am  planning to run the entire offense with 5th graders - just not the option portion. 

If I’m following correctly then it sounds like many coaches when running 24 have their HB and QB run the 38 toss action rather that the option relationship.    Pound 24 until D starts to cheat and then burn them with the 38 toss.  Makes sense.

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Thanks for responding.    I am  planning to run the entire offense with 5th graders - just not the option portion. 

If I’m following correctly then it sounds like many coaches when running 24 have their HB and QB run the 38 toss action rather that the option relationship.    Pound 24 until D starts to cheat and then burn them with the 38 toss.  Makes sense.

-You want to score in 5 plays
-Fit the formation to the field
-23/24 is the basis of series play calling, use it to set up plays remember to score in 5 plays.
-pass every 5 plays

The first 60 pages of the manual are most important more so than the play diagrams.

One thing that I would recommend, and to me, this fits the philosophy of the Offense. At least, my perception of the Offense.

When you run 24, make every Ball Handler in that play a threat. Make them look for 24, but then have them worry about Right 17... and 36 ... and Right 45 Counter... and Right 65 Kick

Then when you run 23, make them worry about Left 32 Counter... and 47-56 Reverse...

You get the idea.

Not that you want to overload your players with a bunch of plays, but once you get the base backfield movement down, now you are just changing the handoff point.

Just my two cents.

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Thanks for responding.    I am  planning to run the entire offense with 5th graders - just not the option portion. 

If I’m following correctly then it sounds like many coaches when running 24 have their HB and QB run the 38 toss action rather that the option relationship.    Pound 24 until D starts to cheat and then burn them with the 38 toss.  Makes sense.

Im sry i modified your post by accident, i meant to qoute it. My fault

-You want to score in 5 plays
-Fit the formation to the field
-23/24 is the basis of series play calling, use it to set up plays remember to score in 5 plays.
-pass every 5 plays

The first 60 pages of the manual are most important more so than the play diagrams.

I can explain it to you, I can't understand if for you.


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By “fit the formation to the field” I’m assuming you mean put the TE and WB into the boundary when on a hash to ensure enough open space to run 47?   

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By “fit the formation to the field” I’m assuming you mean put the TE and WB into the boundary when on a hash to ensure enough open space to run 47? 

Yes, i just used ends over instead of flip for ease of use. Running 47 and 48 are 2 different animals from experience.

I dont like jet, but yea you got the idea.

I can explain it to you, I can't understand if for you.


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Don’t over think it. I did for years. If you aren’t running option every other time you run 24 run it from HB over. Get another blocker at the point of attack. Teams/coaches won’t pick up on it at that age.

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