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So I was a DTDW guy, then I wasn't...

Okay, not true, I was a DW guy, then I let some assistant coaches talk me into going spread, and we did and we had success with a particular group of boys. So my next team, we stayed with the spread, and had some success...but there were some things missing...so the decision was made to go back to playing football in a phone booth last season, and we had success...but lost the championship game...6-0.

Some context...in 2021 when we went back to DTDW, we had some roster challenges and my oline was not as strong as I would have liked, so we had to flip the line. And everyone in the park knew we were running the ball "right here"...at the end of the day, that really didn't matter, we still had lots of success...the championship game was the exception. 

We had some boys leave...2 because I had fired their dads as coaches, 1 because he really didn't want to play football and finally his dad heard him and the last was geography, they bought a house 2 hours away. I drafted a new boy and we had 17 on the roster, and I was able to have the oline I wanted. I also learned that Jack's system was too simplistic, great for young teams, but against teams with good coaches, it was not enough...

So I went looking....as an aside, not very much DW stuff on Glazier...I decided to take a look at Calende's stuff...I really liked it, a lot...I had a few concerns about the oline learning and retaining all iof the rules, but I didn't need to worry.... they were just fine.

Running Steve's stuff (with some adjustments to work with what I had) was AWESOME! I did not have the blocking back to do too much more than run Wedge and Trap with him...we tried dive and even though it was blocked up well, just didn't give us what we needed.

We lead the league in scoring...39 offensive scores...37 on the ground and two in the air. This was in 11 games. We also made the clock disappear...often. We had drives of 18, 15, 13, etc. plays. We had drives that consumed an entire 8 minute quarter. We also had a few one play drives...we had scores where the ball carrier was never touched on his way to the end zone. We had 8 different players run with the football and five different players score it. We had two 900+ yard rushers and averaged 8 yards a carry on 297 rushing attempts.

We saw all manner of defensive fronts...but generally speaking the main defense we ended up seeing is what I like to call "flat and unsound".

We did not punt the ball all season...had a 3rd down conversion rate of 61% and a 4th down rate of 74%.

Oh...and apparently, I became "the villian" this season.

Game two, up 32 to 6 in the 4th quarter, we turn the bad guys over on downs, time to kill the clock...1st down, we run wedge for 2 yards, 2nd down, Rip 22 Power...it goes 42 yards with the wing untouched.

Game eight, up 44 to 12 in the fourth quarter, we get inside the time where we can start kneeling on the football, I call victory on 1st and goal from the 6, their defensive front fires into our Victory formation...I guess they weren't done playing football yet, I kind of lost my mind, shouted out the play call..."On the line, Rip 26 Power, RUN IT NOW!"....it scored...the handshake line was "spirited"...

And of course, there is the "talk" you hear, both through the grapevine and directly to my face..."You're a piece of Sh!t", "Congrats! You got 50"

Anywho...going to keep running the DW, making adjustments as needed, and being Darth Vader is not a bad thing 🙂

 

None of them suck, they just haven't found what the kid is good at yet.


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I call victory on 1st and goal from the 6, their defensive front fires into our Victory formation...I guess they weren't done playing football yet,

If you don't want the horns, don't mess with the bull. That's on the opposing head coach -- and I can back that up after this season (when the select teams were doing it with ~ 2 minutes to go in the game).

Congratulations on a great season, Lord Vader 🙂

Fight 'em until Hell freezes over, then fight 'em on the ice -- Dutch Meyer


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we stayed with the spread, and had some success...but there were some things missing.

--I tried to tell ya, Chris.

I also learned that Jack's system was too simplistic

--In what way?

Oh...and apparently, I became "the villian" this season.

--ALWAYS the case, when you are a winner.  Congrats on that.

--Dave

 

 

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The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

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we stayed with the spread, and had some success...but there were some things missing.

--I tried to tell ya, Chris.

I also learned that Jack's system was too simplistic

--In what way?

Oh...and apparently, I became "the villian" this season.

--ALWAYS the case, when you are a winner.  Congrats on that.

--Dave

 

 

Yeah, you did try and tell me 🙂

Maybe that's not fair, Jack's system being too simplistic...maybe I just wasn't teaching it correctly. TKO was where we had "issues" on the wall side. We had a couple of absolute MONSTERS on that side, the T and the TE...teams started keeping players out of their "tracks", and our boys would stay in the tracks. With Steve's GOOD GOD stuff, that didn't matter, they always had someone to block by rule.

And I like being the villain 🙂 Coin toss, we started playing the Imperial March when our captains walked out...the boys and our parents loved that 🙂

None of them suck, they just haven't found what the kid is good at yet.


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Posted by: @spidermac

Maybe that's not fair, Jack's system being too simplistic...maybe I just wasn't teaching it correctly. TKO was where we had "issues" on the wall side. We had a couple of absolute MONSTERS on that side, the T and the TE...teams started keeping players out of their "tracks", and our boys would stay in the tracks.

I had problems for years trying to teach TKO/SAB down blocking.  And it wasn't until I was coaching O-Line and RBs at an Air Raid high school that I discovered TKO/SAB's brilliance.  Now it's my default for what we do up front.  We still have adjustments, but none of them involve GOD, GOB, GOA, GDB, GOOD, etc.

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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Maybe that's not fair, Jack's system being too simplistic...maybe I just wasn't teaching it correctly. TKO was where we had "issues" on the wall side. We had a couple of absolute MONSTERS on that side, the T and the TE...teams started keeping players out of their "tracks", and our boys would stay in the tracks.

I had problems for years trying to teach TKO/SAB down blocking.  And it wasn't until I was coaching O-Line and RBs at an Air Raid high school that I discovered TKO/SAB's brilliance.  Now it's my default for what we do up front.  We still have adjustments, but none of them involve GOD, GOB, GOA, GDB, GOOD, etc.

--Dave

I didn't say it wasn't brilliant, it is, and I loved it up until last year where more that one team would keep players out of the tracks of those two players. This last season, they tried the same thing, but because of the rules, they always had someone to block.

I am going to have a chat with my assistants for this coming season and see if they think we should user Jack's schemes or Steve's...the boys will be 8, Jack's will definitely be an easier teach. However, is also will require more tweaks should the bad guys do something weird, where as with Good God for Power and Counter and Trap the defense moves the front, we just call 24 Power Instead of 26 Power (for example). 

None of them suck, they just haven't found what the kid is good at yet.


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This last season, they tried the same thing, but because of the rules, they always had someone to block.

That's no longer relevant if you teach them to "build a wall," as opposed to "block a man."  As long as we are staying foot to foot, hip to hip and shoulder to shoulder, whether they have a man to block (or not) isn't relevant.  Defenses still have to get through the wall to make the tackle.

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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This last season, they tried the same thing, but because of the rules, they always had someone to block.

That's no longer relevant if you teach them to "build a wall," as opposed to "block a man."  As long as we are staying foot to foot, hip to hip and shoulder to shoulder, whether they have a man to block (or not) isn't relevant.  Defenses still have to get through the wall to make the tackle.

--Dave

Okay, further details, i had forgotten how you analyze things 🙂

Our line would build the wall, and we called it that, building the wall.

What the defenses would do, align no defenders in the T's and TE's track instead, they would align them outside of those two, or align them deeper than their tracks would take them and have them not come forward until the wall was built. Essentially, letting us do what we do in front of them and then come in behind it...

The second was more difficult to work against than the wider defenders, because we had the Pullers and the BB and the QB leading, just a matter of telling them to look outside in for their blocks. Or we could tag things to deal with the wider defenders and push them wider to run underneath them.

With the rules, outside of the AT MAN we would have GDB (gap down backer) and FBI along with the pullers and the backfield leads for Power/Counter/Trap. What that gave us was the T and TE now being told to go get that backer so if didn't matter if the backer never came into the track, he was going to get blocked by someone.

And, not flipping the line made the defenses play it straight up, if they loaded one side, they were guessing...and we saw a lot of loading one side at the beginning of the season before teams figured out we weren't flipping, so if they loaded our right, we just ran left.

None of them suck, they just haven't found what the kid is good at yet.


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Posted by: @spidermac
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Posted by: @spidermac

This last season, they tried the same thing, but because of the rules, they always had someone to block.

That's no longer relevant if you teach them to "build a wall," as opposed to "block a man."  As long as we are staying foot to foot, hip to hip and shoulder to shoulder, whether they have a man to block (or not) isn't relevant.  Defenses still have to get through the wall to make the tackle.

--Dave

What the defenses would do, align no defenders in the T's and TE's track instead, they would align them outside of those two, or align them deeper than their tracks would take them and have them not come forward until the wall was built. Essentially, letting us do what we do in front of them and then come in behind it...

Have you considered a "PART" tag?  Send your TE and/or your T to the outside. WB, pullers and QB have to know their blocking path now goes through the part. Part goes into turbo mode if you go unbalanced. Super turbo with unbalanced + Wing On. 

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