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Bill03
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October 30, 2019 6:46 pm  

We finished our regular season on this past Saturday, and for the 9 games Pryor we went without any major issues. When I saw the  referee crew that pulled up I knew it was going to be a long day..  it started with a kinda new one for me , motion. He says once we are in a three point stance we can not get up quickly to go in motion. Said that is tring to pull off the defense. There went rocket and lazor motion. Then he said we can't snap down quickly into our three point stance. That would do the the same thing. Then there was the cut block. I don't have to tell you guys about that one !! I ran some gate pull but really didn't have to. After being cut a few times they weren't in any hurry to come in. We did the all block dave taught me in the beginning of the season, worked great.

I wrote a email to the head of the refs, he said he has access to the league film and check to see what if any the issue with motion and the three point stance. The cut block is what it is. Last week I faced a team that put 11 in the box not im not  exaggerating . You can bet we cut them .. didn't get one call against us. We should have thought to be honest, my TE high lowed with the center a couple of times.

As any of you guys had issue with the three point stance and motion before? I guess I could go back into the two point stance with me RBs. But I really not want to think about that at this point.

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October 30, 2019 7:57 pm  

He says once we are in a three point stance we can not get up quickly to go in motion. Said that is trying to pull off the defense.

--We've been called for moving "suddenly."  When we go from 2-point to 3-point, we do it as fast as possible.  But when the officials see that we are doing it consistently (fast) the same way on each play, it no longer falls under the "trying to pull the defense offsides/imminent snap" rule.  Once I ask them "how slowly am I supposed to run my offense before it's legal?" they leave me alone.

There went rocket and lazor motion.

--We leave our WBs in a 2-point stance.  Jet motion and O-Motion is a full-out horizontal sprint.  I've never been called for motioning too fast.

Then he said we can't snap down quickly into our three point stance. That would do the the same thing.

--As I said above, I've been called for this, but very rarely.  I have the discussion with the refs before the game so that they aren't "surprised" by this.  That seems to stop them.  Since a "snap down" to the 3-point stance is so rare, it confuses the poor things, who are only too glad to resort to the flag.

Then there was the cut block. I don't have to tell you guys about that one !!

--We got rid of the cut block simply so that I wouldn't have to prove to officials how stupid they are.  We just slide down our backside protection.

We should have thought to be honest, my TE high lowed with the center a couple of times.

--If you change your Center's blocking rules from MOMA to MOPA, you won't have that issue.

As any of you guys had issue with the three point stance and motion before?

--No.

--Dave

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jcarbon2
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November 7, 2019 5:19 pm  

MOPA??? 

Expert in "BRAIN DEAD DEFENSE" and the "CAVEMAN SPREAD"


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November 7, 2019 7:31 pm  

MOPA???

Man On/Pivot Away.

We used MOPA when we were teaching the BSTE to shoeshine.  By having the Center pivot, instead of blocking away, we avoided getting called for chop blocks because our Center was sometimes making contact with a defender while the BSTE was shoeshining him.

--Dave

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gumby_in_co
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November 8, 2019 8:50 am  

As any of you guys had issue with the three point stance and motion before? I guess I could go back into the two point stance with me RBs.

Yep. We got used to being flagged for "false start" on the first few plays of the game. When we pointed out that the kid being flagged is a wing back, sometimes they backed off. Other times, they were too proud to admin they were wrong. We heard:
"He can't motion once he puts his hand on the ground" - which is BS
"He can't 'pop up'" - which could be interpreted as simulating a snap, but in this case, it was BS because this idiot had already flagged us 3 times for false start.
"He can't go backward. He has to motion parallel to the LOS" - more BS, but I really liked how he tried to save face

My favorite was an opposing coach screaming, "MOVEMENT IN THE BACKFIELD!!!" ever play for the entire game. Didn't get flagged, but it was both annoying and amusing at the same time.

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DoubleWingCoach
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December 5, 2019 9:01 am  

Did anyone have a copy of the NFHS rules???? Doesn't it specify like a one second delay once you are in a 3 POINT stance???? If it doesn't thats a bunch of BS...


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ZACH
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December 5, 2019 11:27 am  

Did anyone have a copy of the NFHS rules???? Doesn't it specify like a one second delay once you are in a 3 POINT stance???? If it doesn't thats a bunch of BS...

Ive only been reffing  for 3 years, i have made this call a few times knowing 100% its going to happen when i see a dw.

I was told by a much more experienced ref when i made this call in a jr high game a rb "can" motion from a 3 point if he is easily identified as being in the backfield.

Trying to find the specific rule is impossible but ill try

I can explain it to you, I can't understand if for you.


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dbayer66
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December 9, 2019 2:55 pm  

Man On/Pivot Away.

thanks, so if you were running superpower to the right, and the center was uncovered, he would pivot on his right foot so that he was facing left?


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December 9, 2019 4:57 pm  

so if you were running superpower to the right, and the center was uncovered, he would pivot on his right foot so that he was facing left?

On Superpower Right, the Center would pivot to face the backside vacated by the pullers.  He would then slide to fill the gap by the vacated pulling Guard.  Perhaps I should change the acronym to MOSA (Man On/Slide Away).  The issue is to get away from being called for a chop block when the Center and Backside TE are both contacting the same defensive lineman.

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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ZACH
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December 10, 2019 3:31 am  

MOSA (Man On/Slide Away) - we call this "pull check" ... dont know if maybe that helps

I can explain it to you, I can't understand if for you.


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Bob Goodman
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December 10, 2019 5:44 am  

Ive only been reffing  for 3 years, i have made this call a few times knowing 100% its going to happen when i see a dw.

I was told by a much more experienced ref when i made this call in a jr high game a rb "can" motion from a 3 point if he is easily identified as being in the backfield.

Trying to find the specific rule is impossible but ill try

There is no specific reference in any of the major codes to a back's having one or both hands on or near the ground.

Motion by a back backwards or laterally are treated the same in the rules.

This is all about whether it's a false start.  If it's a "quick" or "jerky" movement or somehow simulates the start of play, that's a false start.


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DoubleWingCoach
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December 10, 2019 6:07 am  

Ok that makes sense... Jerky movements... I've never been called for this with my motion and my wings are in 3 points and slowly stand to motion....

So maybe my motion aint jerky... lol


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Bill03
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December 18, 2019 6:57 am  

I decided to put them in a two point stance next year.  We are getting tired of being called for it.


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