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So my hope is that this post can eventually become a reference point (or Sticky) for all new coaches looking to dive into the Double Wing Offense. If there is one thing that I have come to realize is that while the amount of plays is in itself simplistic, the nuances that must be mastered are many. Below is my hopefully successful attempt at starting what will be a detailed list of some things that I learned plus, references, websites, and helpful coaches that can get you up and running, so long as you have the drive to learn. I will try my best to keep the list as organized as possible and will gladly update with valuable information as more coaches start to pitch in and build this list. And remember, my experience is and will continue to be in the arena of 7-10 year olds, so please feel free to adjust to your particular coaching situation. In addition, this is in no way an exhaustive list providing you a magic bullet or cure all; It is just a reference for new coaches to help make better use of your time when trying to figure out where the hell you should start. So lets begin…

The first thing you need to decide is... wait whats that.

Oh hello Dave. What if they need to know how to coach? Well then I recommend they scroll on down to the bottom and start with the Better Coach, Good Coach, Great Coach section first. It’s not much yet, but the post that’s there is one that should hit home with every coach in any sport. Definitely read this first.

All done! Awedome. So, where were we, that’s right, first decide "what do you want to do with the ball"?

If want to play smash mouth football, control the clock, wear down a defense, and run of the most unstoppable plays in football; YOU MIGHT BE A DWINGER

Accepting the fact that you WILL run the same play 10 times in a row, have 10 minute 15+ play drives, and at times gain 3yds per play on average is the biggest part of being a Double Wing coach. If you can accept this fact, then this just might be the offense for you.

SYSTEMS:
Once you have decided to run the double wing the first issue you will run into is what system to pick. And yes, choosing a system, especially for a new coach is a big deal and something I would highly recommend. Selecting and sticking with a system will help you learn the nuances of the Double Wing while using time tested plans, drills, plays, and nomenclature utilized in the system of your choice. Below, in no particular order are the systems that are very thorough, in depth and backed by years of experience.

Jack Gregory: Wonderful system that uses TKO Blocking, basic play calling and has drills, player recommendations along with corrections, and ways to read the defense. DW Gold for any beginning coach looking to run this system. Highly recommend.

Coach Calande: The GOOD GOD Blocking System. That’s all that needs to be said, but I’ll say more anyway. Coach Calande is about as true the Double Wing as any coach you may meet and has developed his own GOOD GOD Blocking scheme that is absolutely genius and could be taught at any level given the proper understanding. Also, his DW Illustrated is well worth the $7.50 while his Drills/Practice manual is honestly worth more than what he charges. Recommended with the understanding his blocking scheme requires dedication to properly master.

Coach Murphy: Started with a great under center system and has helped pioneer the Shotgun Double Wing (SGDW) or Balanced Single wing as some may call it. He has some great material that can get expensive if you looking to just start learning. But if you really want to run the shotgun this is a good place to start.

Coach Wyatt: This is another great resource on the double wing and football in general. While Coach Wyatt now runs what he calls an “open wing” offense, the premise is still the same and keep in touch with the core of a double wing offense. If you care to do a little digging his website has 100’s of articles, tips and techniques that can be used for multiple facets of football and still sells his old under center material. Overall, this is one of the most in depth websites for a double wing coach.

DoubleWingCoach (Coach Brisson): Coach Brisson is here on Dumcoach and has one of the most efficient youth double wing teams I have ever seen on tape. He does offer a manual, and if interested I would suggest reaching out to him personally as he is very responsive and very knowledgeable on the system. He is very big on running from both SGDW and UC and can provide insight on both. Even if you do not purchase his system, he is always on the boards answering coach’s calls for help. His is priced more in line with Coach Murphy’s material and would be a great compliment for a coach running UC that is looking to expand to shotgun.

Coach Cox: Thanks to Dimson for the recommendation on this one. Honestly, leaving this out was unfortunately just ignorance on my part as I was not familiar with Coach Cox's material. However, I must say that if you want to run smashmouth football out of what some would call a more "familiar" offense, then Coach Cox's material is definitely worth a look. From what I could see, Coach Cox's forum may just be the holy grail of material when it comes to DW pistol sets and his defensive schemes. While I am unsure if he sells more in depth material anywhere, what he has provided in that forum is by far and away enough to keep you busy for a very long time. Maybe Dimson can chime back in with some references such as YouTube videos or other helpful links on the offense. Either way, below is the forum where he has posted most of his material on the Pistol DW and other offensive sets for anyone interested.

CoxBox Forum: http://www.dumcoach.com/coach-cox-systems/

JJLawson: The Master of simplicity, known for perfectionism and lack of compassion for defensive lineman. JJ's Simple Doublewing is one that I would highly recommend for any coach starting out with this offense. While I am unsure if he has a complete manual explaining what he does, the short, to the point playbooks he provides at no cost are simply amazing. In addition to his playbook, he has what is arguably one of the greatest youth resources out there for any coach, in his Dominant O-Line Manual. If you take nothing else away from JJ, please for the love of GOD take his passion for a dominant O-Line. That passion, plus a sugar packet is worth all the gold in the world. Trust me, its that good. He also has info on the drills they do, his mentality as to why he does what he does, and how he coaches aggression into his teams. Overall from what I've read, and heard on the forums, JJ is just an all around good guy who is very responsive and always willing to help out a fellow coach.

BLOCKING SCHEME:
THIS IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF ANY OFFENSE, ESPECIALLY SO IN THE DOUBLEWING.
As a head coach running this offense, your primary focus should be on your O-Line. Coach them, treat them special, give them special drills, whatever you need to do to make sure these kids are warriors. But warriors that understand the nuances of playing offensive line. You will never win by just blocking somebody. Kids can learn and retain far more than we give them credit for and the last thing you want to do is doubt that. So make sure as a coach you make the time, when possible, to individually coach the O-Line. I promise you it will pay off in spades come the season opener. With that said, here is a list of my recommendations for blocking schemes, and some helpful articles supporting them.

SAB/TKO: Basically down blocking in a youth package. This is in my opinion one of the easiest to install but hardest to master. Kids always have a tendency to want to hit someone out of the gate, and this doesn’t always bode well for TKO Blocking. What do most kids do when there is no one in their path, they find someone to hit. And this doesn’t always mean the proper person. Sometimes they take themselves out of the play chasing defenders they will never block. So if you go this route just make sure your kids know “WHY” they are blocking in this manner and you will be successful. Actually make sure they always know “WHY: they are blocking, but you may have to really reinforce this one. For material, just search SAB or TKO on Dumcoach, or pick up some Gregory material through Championship Productions I believe.

SAB Material: http://www.dumcoach.com/running-game-and-rule-blocking/severe-angle-blocking/msg122791/#msg122791

GOOD GOD: Honestly, while I’ve not used this yet, I was able to teach to my son the basics in about 15 minutes and he’s 9. While I do not think that he retained all of it the next day, I do think with repetition he would have no problem remembering the rules. I won’t go into details here as to what this blocking scheme is, but page 2 of the below posts goes in to some detail. Honestly, just purchase the DWI on his page that discusses the GOOD GOD system. It is absolutely worth the $7.50.

http://www.dumcoach.com/running-game-and-rule-blocking/what-is-the-difference-between-god-and-good-god-blocking/15/

There are other blocking rules out there, such as Zone, Gap On Down (GOD) and Gap Down Backer (GDB), but in my opinion the two above are great system style blocking schemes that have excellent support. Quick Tip: For teaching “DOWN”, I tell kids to look down the street at their neighbor’s house. If there’s someone at their door, hit them. I am sure there are others that I did not include and will update the post as coaches very politely, smartly, and in the nicest way possible correct me.

O-LINE TECHNIQUES:

SPLITS: First let’s discuss splits. The general consensus of DW coaches, against the better judgement of every parent on the sideline is 0” splits. This is necessary to allow for short pull distance of your G/T, takes away the ability of the defense to penetrate with blitzes, and allows your backside TE cover the hole left by the pulling lineman. There have been many posts on this topic. Below are some that I think provide great value to the topic. DoubleWingCoach puts his G at 6” to help with QB exchange, but most just stay foot to foot.

Staggered Stances/Splits: http://www.dumcoach.com/double-wing-football/oline-splits/

BLOCKING STYLE: Some or most may disagree, but I would recommend teaching some form of either shoulder blocking or what I learned from Dave Potter and personally coined the X-Men block which for me involves forearms. With the Double Wing you don’t really need to use hands to block thanks to the zero splits. Because we are in such close quarters, shoulder or forearm blocking typically causes defenders to shoot out faster and in my opinion causes lineman to get “on” the defender instead of reaching for them. You will often see kids reach for defenders when you teach them to use their hands which takes away their ability to hit the defender. I teach everyone on my team they are a hitter first. We don’t block or tackle, we hit. And we hit to hurt. I know that sounds horrible, but the way I explain it is like so. When another player hits you does it feel good and make you all warm and fuzzy inside. And kids will typically respond with a resounding no. Then I ask if it hurts, and they typically respond with a yes. So I explain, that is a part of football, we hit to hurt. I do make sure to clarify, multiple times, we do not hit to injure, but that may happen as well. We hit, properly and with force and let the game play out as it may. Another acronym I use is “A2G” which stands for Ass 2 Grass; Defenders can’t tackle from their ass. It’s how I tell everyone to attack on any given play that’s not a ball carrier, we are all lineman on my team. Wingbacks, QB, BB; their all just lineman that get to carry the ball.

Hands or Flippers: http://www.dumcoach.com/running-game-and-rule-blocking/double-teams-(-hands-or-flippe r's-)/

A lot of “PERSONALITY” but an overall good thread: http://www.dumcoach.com/running-game-and-rule-blocking/the-truth-behind-hands-vs-shoulders/150/

PULLING: I will make one statement and then provide the some references:

When it comes to pulling, JUST DO IT. 

Pulling: http://www.dumcoach.com/running-game-and-rule-blocking/wha t's-difficult-about-the-pull/
Circle Drill Video: http://www.dumcoach.com/double-wing-football/circle-drill-for-pullers/msg378150/#msg378150

STANCES: Feel free to put your kids in either a 2 or 3 point stance dependent on the players and what you feel comfortable coaching. I noticed a huge improvement at the 7/8 year old level when we switched to a 2 point stance. I even had a lot of the kids tell me that they felt more comfortable and faster out of the stance. With that team, switching to a 2 point was easy as we drilled 3 point stances (for defense) every day at practice so they had a natural tendency to stay low. What you coach is up to you, however, if you are having problems with the bigger kids, or ones that lack core strength don’t hesitate to try a 2 point.

SNAPPING:
I recommend Coach Wyatt’s snap found here: http://www.coachwyatt.com/center-qb.html

COACHES:
Lastly, below are coaches that I have either personally received advice from or witnessed providing sound advice on the boards about the doublewing offense. Now, please don’t get offended if I don’t mention you, this list is in no particular order and I truly think all of these coaches would be great references for any new DW coach.

CoachDP, Coach Calande, JRK5150, PSLCOACHROB, CoachGregory, Mahonz and DoubleWingCoach, JJ Lawson

Better Coach, Good Coach, Great Coach: References, manuals and books to help you become a better coach and teacher.

How long does it take to become a better coach? http://www.dumcoach.com/general-discussion/i-wonder-how-long-it-takes-to-be-a-better-coach/msg409724/#msg409724

Installing an offense: Dave Potter: This is a great video on installing and troubleshooting your offense scheme. Great video that I watched in its entirety, and I typically can’t watch a whole commercial so that’s saying something

DW Articles/Manuals/References:
Coach Wyatts First DW Article ('96): http://www.coachwyatt.com/texascoach96.html - Great Read
Wyatts DW Pre-Game Checklist: http://www.coachwyatt.com/officialschecklist.htm -  A little dated, but still a great article on refs, rules and things to know when running DW. Check against current rules.
Wyatts Tips Section: http://www.coachwyatt.com/tip_latest.html - Not an article per se, but still an excellent resource.
Jerry Vallotton’s “The Toss”: http://doublewing.org - King James Version of the DW.
Coaches-Clinic Subscription: https://coaches-clinic.com/clinics-on-demand/ - I bought in to the Silver subscription which is something like 100 football related videos as well as Jack Gregory DW material. Recommend for any scheme or coach, but the Gregory stuff is worth the 1 year cost of admission alone. Make sure to download the notes/manuals that accompany the presentations.
JJ Lawson’s Dominant O-Line Manual: http://coachsomebody.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Dominant-Oline-Manual-2012.pdf - Great how-to for teaching your O-Line.
No Frills, Just Doublewing - http://www.dumcoach.com/double-wing-football/the-basic-double-wing-offense-no-frills-just-points/15/ - Great post full of DW pointers and a ton of video run by multiple coaches.

Updates:
12/28: Added CoxBox Pistol and JJ Lawsons Simple Double Wing (SDW), Added Articles from Coach Wyatt's site. Added Jerry Vallotton’s  “The Toss” and coaches-clinic.com subscriptions.

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I would add Coach Cox's CoxBox Pistol DW to the list as well. It is very thorough and uses both IOL and Wash(TKO) blocking. He also shows how to run each play against various fronts. He also includes other direct snap variations of his double wing. There are also complimentary manuals that teach each position in the offense such as QB, RB and O-line.


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I would add JJ's Simple DW in there as well.  Uses TKO like Jack, but I think it's pretty different from there.  And a very good youth system.  Not to mention JJ may be the most available of all from a text/phone call perspective.


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I would add JJ's Simple DW in there as well.  Uses TKO like Jack, but I think it's pretty different from there.  And a very good youth system.  Not to mention JJ may be the most available of all from a text/phone call perspective.

Wow, what an ass I am. Off all the systems to forget! I’ll get that added today. Thanks John. Sorry JJ.

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Coach Cox has some stuff on youtube. I will try and link it later. As far as play books go, there might be some downloads on the site and I think you can get it from coach Rob's site as well.


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This is awesome. I wish I had a reference like this when I started on my DW journey a few seasons ago. Strong work.

You might want to reference coaches-clinic.com. Coach Rob has some great DW clinics on his website. Jack Gregory and Coach Cox have clinics on the site for a reasonable price. Bruce Eien also has some good stuff on his I Wing DW offense.


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Jerry Vallotton's web site:

http://doublewing.org

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Jerry Vallotton's web site:

http://doublewing.org

--Dave

How I forgot this I have no idea. It only has a permanent place in my coaching bag. Will get it added.

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This is awesome. I wish I had a reference like this when I started on my DW journey a few seasons ago. Strong work.

You might want to reference coaches-clinic.com. Coach Rob has some great DW clinics on his website. Jack Gregory and Coach Cox have clinics on the site for a reasonable price. Bruce Eien also has some good stuff on his I Wing DW offense.

I appreciate it G8trs. Really I just wanted to try and provide a one stop shop for basic knowledge of learning, installing and troubleshooting the DW. We have so many great posts from years past that kind of get lost, and with it those little nuggets of DW Gold. My hope is that over time a lot of them can be brought to the forefront in one place.

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I just wanted to try and provide a one stop shop for basic knowledge of learning, installing and troubleshooting the DW.

Brian, it's a good idea.  But also keep in mind that knowing what to teach doesn't mean you know how to teach.  I believe the latter is far more important than the former.

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We don’t block or tackle, we hit. And we hit to hurt. I know that sounds horrible, but the way I explain it is like so.

Not sure why you're apologizing, Brian.  "Hit to hurt" is an approach that we've taken for more than a decade.  Football is a physically combative sport.  Physicality is the single greatest advantage you can bring to a youth team, and what keeps you competitive in high school ball.  A player who is not physically aggressive on the field will not be successful.  Those who do not believe in physicality as a fundamental will be at a disadvantage once they're competing against a team that has been taught confident aggression.

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Brian, it's a good idea.  But also keep in mind that knowing what to teach doesn't mean you know how to teach.  I believe the latter is far more important than the former.

--Dave

Couldn’t agree more. And I understand that this post isn’t going to make someone a better coach, my hope is that good coaches can take this and turn it into something far greater. Actually, you just gave me an idea for one more section that should definitely be included.

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Not sure why you're apologizing, Brian.  "Hit to hurt" is an approach that we've taken for more than a decade.  Football is a physically combative sport.  Physicality is the single greatest advantage you can bring to a youth team, and what keeps you competitive in high school ball.  A player who is not physically aggressive on the field will not be successful.  Those who do not believe in physicality as a fundamental will be at a disadvantage once they're competing against a team that has been taught confident aggression.

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Still need to dig in a little more on the mentality and how I want to coach.

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Still need to dig in a little more on the mentality and how I want to coach.

I think you have to be comfortable with what you teach and how you teach it.  I've found that sooner or later, you're going to play the big bully team. (That's especially true in leagues that have regional and national games, where you must face teams outside of your own back yard.)  But if you have to apologize for teaching the fundamental of aggression, then it's possible that you aren't comfortable with it.

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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I understand that this post isn’t going to make someone a better coach, my hope is that good coaches can take this and turn it into something far greater. Actually, you just gave me an idea for one more section that should definitely be included.

I think the questions are not "What do I run?" or "What do I teach?" but "how do I teach it?"  "How do I recognize it?" "How do I get there?"

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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