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Hi Coaches, 

We’ll know more after we scrimmage them, but our opener is against a Beast offense.

I’ve seen plenty on here in support of running the beast, but don’t find anything about defending it.

Any suggestions?

This is was their most common alignment last season, and how we’re thinking about aligning against it.

 

                                                       O O O       Q

                                                         O O O O C O O

                                                          E    T      T          E

                                      C          $         R         M             W

                                                       F                                            C

    

Our backside DE is a natural born Edge,

The Strongside E, and both Ts are descent sized kids, but not large, more athlete than space-eaters, 2 have never played before.   We’ve done some tight, nose-to-nose style drive work,  in anticipation of the wedge.  They’ve come along way pretty fast. 

$, M, W are very good athletes, the $ & W are both smallish, but seriously hard-core kids.   W in combo with our Edge should make for a tough pair to run QB boot / sweep against, which they ran about 30% of the time – and was their biggest, go-to play  - last season.  Their QB is back.

The M is big, fast and strong – a natural MLB.  

Our R (ILB whom we will move around some- hence Rover) is big fast, but a little soft & inconsistent.

Both Corners are newbies, athletic but???.    Backside C is Fast!

The FS is a returner whom we have high hopes, but lots of question marks.

 

Open to suggestions, and thanx in advance. 

 

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Against unbalanced lines we shift our defensive line to keep their o-line balanced, but do not shift our LBs so we can defend against Counter.

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                                                       O O O       Q

                                                         O O O O C O O

                                                          E    T      T          E

                                      C          $         R         M             W

                                                       F                                            C

    

                                                      O O O       Q

                                                         O O O O C O O

                                                     E     E    T      T          F

                                      C          $         R         M             W           C

 

All good. We have had good success with END OVER. Simile and easy. A third level Defender is a waste of a good player. Since we have run so much Beast over the years with success....lots of copy cats. We have actually lost two games that were knock down drag out battles to Beast opponents.... but beat others that were also knock down drag out battles. 

 

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Posted by: @coachdp

Against unbalanced lines we shift our defensive line to keep their o-line balanced, but do not shift our LBs so we can defend against Counter.

--Dave

This^^ 

 

And... Don't forget to tackle well 😉

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And... Don't forget to tackle well 😉

Sooner or later, it all comes down to blocking and tackling.  😆 

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How are they blocking their blast?  That's really the key. In our last group of kids, we had some beast copy cats who did well with it as Mahonz said. With our current group, the copy cats try to sweep all the time and for the most part, everyone crushes it. If they are an off tackle team, I have some ideas on how to defend it and will happily share those thoughts via email or PM. (Looking at you, Troy, LOL).

Your alignment is pretty good (better than most we see), but you're not matching numbers. Unbalanced Beast has 3 players to the short side of the ball. You appear to have 4 (assuming your RT is in a zero tech and not a 1). I will respectfully disagree with DP and Zach about not shifting LBs. To run counter out of beast, your backs have to run further than the LBs. Plus, it's an easy stop if your backside E is disciplined. 

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How are they blocking their blast?

We'll find out Sat.   I don't have anything in my notes from last yr on the blast, my guess is, they'll run it however its being promoted on _Coach Parker_. 

 

 

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How are they blocking their blast?

We'll find out Sat.   I don't have anything in my notes from last yr on the blast, my guess is, they'll run it however its being promoted on _Coach Parker_. 

 

 

Sent you a PM. Beast Killer Defense, LOL.

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Sent you a PM. Beast Killer Defense, LOL.

Thanx

Much appreciated 

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I will respectfully disagree with DP and Zach about not shifting LBs. To run counter out of beast, your backs have to run further than the LBs. Plus, it's an easy stop if your backside E is disciplined. 

Agreed. Any time you are facing the unusual....moving one part of the alignment and not the other is a battle. During install the LB's are trained to line up in a particular spot. They get used to the DL being a a particular spot....so when the DL moves the natural instinct for the LB'rs is to move with them. Then during the game you are yelling at LB'rs that cant hear you or are looking at you during the snap. 

The path of LEAST resistance is always best when facing unusual. Move the entire Defense over. Beast Counters runs suck rotten eggs anyway. 😎 If you need to counter....throw a pass. 

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Coaches, 

Jamboree went well.   Defense shut out all 3 teams, offense had a combined 7 TDs on the day. 

The last match up was much anticipated, we’d put 3 TDs on each of 1st two opponents.  They were scoring at will, 5 & 6 TD’s.   This is the team running Beast.  We shut down all but a couple of their plays, largely because our Weakside DE – the Edge kid – dropped their QB 5 times = 4 TFL and a Sack.  They couldn’t get their QB past him, forcing them to play one sided.  Our $ got caught coming inside once, but the Mike got  'im, and our $ learned the lesson.  Our M was great sideline to sideline, better than we expected him to be.  We scored once, running Buckshort 5 times in a row on that drive.

Offense:  Buckshort was too much for all 3 teams.  When teams panicked, to stop it, our Bucksweep to the open side and our weakside Belly (our Iso) took it to the house.  

But we had a lot of nervous kids in the huddle, spent too much time reminding them of their assignments.  Pretty normal stuff for a Jamboree.  Lots to clean up, on both sides of the ball.  We open with the Beast team next Sat, and we know they’ll be better, and sure had better improve.  They have a very good roster.  Should be a game!

Thanx for the help,

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So your weakside End chased down their Beast back?

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So your weakside End chased down their Beast back?

Nope.  Their go-to plays last season were QB sweeps to strong side and QB Boot / counters to the weak side. 

We prepped for those.  Our Edge shut down those boots / counters, we coach him that when the play is away from him to look for Boot/Counter/ Reverse - but his #1 responsibility was to play the QB. 

He is coached to take on a lead blocker w/ his inside shoulder to their blocker's outside shoulder & keep the outside arm free, to 'richochet' off the blocker to the ball carrier.  Whether they ran the QB naked or with a lead blocker, he shut it down.  Our weakside OLB (W) was kinda frustrated b/c our edge wasn't leaving anything for him.

From the mid-3rd Q, or thereabouts, they only ran to the strong side, and our SOLB ($) is a hard-core little guy.  Reminds me of the Old cartoon Foghorn Leghorn's nemesis, the little ChickenHawk.  Between him and our Mike (whom we thought would be pretty good and completely exceeded expectations) we got their outside game to the strongside (Mostly) shut down (they did pick up a couple 1st downs).  

Twice they had bad snaps from shotgun, and our weakside Edge nearly recovered those.  They only attempted 4 passes, he forced the QB to bail on 2 and sacked him on a 3rd.  Kid had a great day.  

Defensively we have a some weak spots that we're very concerned about, but we 'can't trade 'em, can't cut 'em and can't kill 'em so we're gonna have to coach 'em' up. 

This is the team we open with this Sat. and just learned that our C/ DT is going out of town next week-end.   He's pretty good, and our bench is very weak.  Soooo....  inspite of this, we've got to get better in 2 practices, and we know this team will be better by game time. 

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So your weakside End chased down their Beast back?

Nope.  Their go-to plays last season were QB sweeps to strong side and QB Boot / counters to the weak side. 

Sounds like you nailed it. I'm curious how one would run a QB boot from a formation in the Gun with no back to the boot side, but . . .

Every once in a while I think about working on plays to the short side in Beast, but I have better things to spend my time on.

Good luck in Game 1.  TBH, there's not much more to be added to the Beast attack. Maybe they start sending blockers to the back side? 

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I will respectfully disagree with DP and Zach about not shifting LBs. To run counter out of beast, your backs have to run further than the LBs. Plus, it's an easy stop if your backside E is disciplined. 

Agreed. Any time you are facing the unusual....moving one part of the alignment and not the other is a battle. During install the LB's are trained to line up in a particular spot. They get used to the DL being a a particular spot....so when the DL moves the natural instinct for the LB'rs is to move with them. Then during the game you are yelling at LB'rs that cant hear you or are looking at you during the snap. 

The path of LEAST resistance is always best when facing unusual. Move the entire Defense over. Beast Counters runs suck rotten eggs anyway. 😎 If you need to counter....throw a pass. 

If they only added 1 additional player or gap to a side of the front why move your entire front 7/8 ? If they add 2 then I will most definitely be adjusting the box.  Genuinely curious.

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