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Quickly, do over and under fronts belong in even or odd front family?
My answer is depends. Once  I get a couple of answer I will expand on the answer. I am just interested in how it is answered from the great coaches on this board.

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Even fronts don't cover the center if that is what you are asking.


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Even fronts don't cover the center of thay is what you are asking.

The usual scenario is that you have a shaded nose, which means the center is only half covered. That would make it even to one side and odd to the other.  I can see the argument for it belonging in both families.

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I learned five, not two, and over, under, and even were all different.  Over and under weren't versions of even.

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I learned:
Odd = center covered [or shaded] and one or both guards does not have a down lineman covering him
Even = center not covered [or shaded] but both guards are and there is only one LB Between B gaps.
Split = center not covered [or shaded] but both guards are and there are 2 players at LB depth aligned B gap to B gap.
Bear= center and both guards covered

With those definitions and over under needing  a 1 and a 3 and no 0 or shade, it will be either even or split, depending where the LBs align

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Most Over fronts we consider an even front, but some are an Odd front where they walk down the WS OLB. The majority of Under fronts we see are actually Odd fronts, but some are Even. So of course this can often lead to debate, I always ask why. Does it really matter? Will identifying the front change how you block it?

Back in the day I remember Option teams having a rule about where to attack vs Even or Odd fronts. Today we will often say to attack the 1 or 3 technique on certain plays. Overall you really have to look at the coverage. Defenses today usually adjust the coverage more so then front, the days of stemming & having 30 different fronts seem to have disappeared. I remember when Georgia was a Shade team under Coach Dooley, they had over 100 different fronts. I didn't even think that possible until I saw the explanation.

That is one of things I like so much about today's Zone schemes & Gap Schemes that we use. Changing the front really doesn't matter.

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Where is Coach Mountjoy when you need him?

5 basic fronts: under, over, even, okie and solid (bear).  As Joe pints out, classifying as "odd" or "even" does not really matter.  Over and even usually blocked the same, under and okie usually blocked the same and solid is a class by itself.

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Quickly, do over and under fronts belong in even or odd front family?
My answer is depends. Once  I get a couple of answer I will expand on the answer. I am just interested in how it is answered from the great coaches on this board.

Both Even and Odd base defenses run variations of both of these and they can mean different things in those respective defenses.

IMO, it's not true odd front unless the NG is head up.  If the offense knows what it's doing with their blocking rules, they won't necessarily declare a shade as "On."


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Different guys call it different things.

imo for highschool and lower, its easier to consider over and under as even.

For me:
odd= center has a guy head up
even= he doesn't

also 99.9% of the time if it's odd, you have two guys head up the tackles (okie) or two 3 techs (solid/bear)


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Different guys call it different things.

imo for highschool and lower, its easier to consider over and under as even.

For me:
odd= center has a guy head up
even= he doesn't

also 99.9% of the time if it's odd, you have two guys head up the tackles (okie) or two 3 techs (solid/bear)

To counterpoint you,
1. you can have  two players over the tackles, head up and play an even defense.
2.I would also suggest that the olb -de alignment thing a ma-ding is a separate category
3.Spacing is what defines the family of defenses. over/under/bear are separate for that reason.
4. What about a shaded nose? That is not a guard covered. You may have included that in head up, but I have no way to know that.

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Different guys call it different things.

imo for highschool and lower, its easier to consider over and under as even.

For me:
odd= center has a guy head up
even= he doesn't

also 99.9% of the time if it's odd, you have two guys head up the tackles (okie) or two 3 techs (solid/bear)

We are an off tackle team so we see a bunch of okie. Sometimes the ng is shaded to strength which is often the field. We didn't ever base running off tackle on field/boundary or left/right but teams played us like we did. Pretty standard to do so I guess. I really don't care what the front is. Our blocking schemes should take care of it. We might modify the rules some if a 3 tech is a beast but usually the kids figured it out because we worked on it daily.


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My understanding is that either an odd or even front can be played over or under vs. a TE-SE O line.


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My understanding is that either an odd or even front can be played over or under vs. a TE-SE O line.

you would be correct.

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you would be correct.

Dammit!  Who had March 2, 2017 in the pool?

Sorry, I couldn't help it.

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To counterpoint you,
3.Spacing is what defines the family of defenses. over/under/bear are separate for that reason.

Spacing defines defenses or defines fronts?  Is it spacing or alignment that defines the defense/front?

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