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Bob Goodman
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August 11, 2019 3:07 pm  

I don't stress it, but it looks like I'm old fashioned in that I like the arms out -- abducted at the shoulder -- extended sideways -- and hence don't coach the "rip" upward motion that's fashionable now.  I think having the arms sideways helps with balance at the breakdown, allowing just a little bit more acceleration left or right if necessary.  No need to elevate them, though; out and low should be fine.  It's not that you're going to catch the opponent out there, but that it helps you move your body to intercept him.

Those who are into wrapping the thighs now obviously also can't coach an upward rip, although they could still coach "gunslinger" position.

I think I've written here that close hand positioning also gives too much encouragement to the kids who'd rather push off than wrap up.  I've also noticed that teaching the upward rip leads to a tendency to cock or backswing before contact in drills.


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August 11, 2019 4:44 pm  

I don't stress it, but it looks like I'm old fashioned in that I like the arms out -- abducted at the shoulder -- extended sideways --

--I have no idea what this means.

I think having the arms sideways helps with balance at the breakdown

--I don't know what "arms sideways" is, but we don't breakdown so there's no "balance" needed.

I think I've written here that close hand positioning also gives too much encouragement to the kids who'd rather push off than wrap up.

--Push off a tackle?  Now you've confused me even further, Bob.

I've also noticed that teaching the upward rip leads to a tendency to cock or backswing before contact in drills.

--Only if it's taught or allowed.

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JustPlay
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August 11, 2019 7:49 pm  

Bob - I prefer the arms loaded and pivoting at the shoulder vs outside like a pushup. There is more structure to support more power from the upward motion, plus it gets your hips and abs involved. Do my tinys rip up every time? No. but we are working on it.

nothing replaces effort. nothing replaces the mind. One with out the other is a waste of time.


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August 11, 2019 8:12 pm  

We use the keyword "fly", then have them mimic an eagle. At one point Friday, I put my elbows in my ribs and asked, "Do eagles fly like this?". One of my players answered, "NO! That's a chicken!"  Satisfying when you manage to break through.

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August 12, 2019 3:30 am  

More prone to separated shoulders with a completely extended arm. If you draw a line of force it goes right through the joint. The rip motion is supported by upperback and trunk. Less chance of injury.

I can explain it to you, I can't understand if for you.


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August 12, 2019 5:02 am  

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rpatric
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August 12, 2019 6:29 am  

Run as fast as you can to the ball. When you get there make him sorry he ever contemplated stepping on the field.
Everyone complicates this. Run through the ball carrier and put his ass in the dirt. Just how i approach it.


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August 12, 2019 7:47 am  

Run as fast as you can to the ball. When you get there make him sorry he ever contemplated stepping on the field.
Everyone complicates this. Run through the ball carrier and put his ass in the dirt. Just how i approach it.

I can get on board with that.

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August 12, 2019 8:07 pm  

Run as fast as you can to the ball. When you get there make him sorry he ever contemplated stepping on the field.
Everyone complicates this. Run through the ball carrier and put his ass in the dirt. Just how i approach it.

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August 13, 2019 6:59 am  

Problem is my son is his 4 back! Then again, he has been a bit mouthy lately. He's the Mike on defense. It would be funny to see his backup flatten him ;D

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Bob Goodman
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August 13, 2019 9:26 pm  

I don't stress it, but it looks like I'm old fashioned in that I like the arms out -- abducted at the shoulder -- extended sideways --

--I have no idea what this means.

It means right hand pointed right, left hand pointed left.

I think I've written here that close hand positioning also gives too much encouragement to the kids who'd rather push off than wrap up.

--Push off a tackle?  Now you've confused me even further, Bob.

It means they're trying to protect themselves from body-to-body contact instead of tackling.  Some players if you give them an opening to do so, do so.


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JustPlay
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August 17, 2019 6:52 pm  

Bob,

I saw this in my game today. My MLB used the rip motion to protect himself not engage.

nothing replaces effort. nothing replaces the mind. One with out the other is a waste of time.


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Wing-n-It
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August 19, 2019 8:49 am  

Run through the ball carrier and put his ass in the dirt.

Once during a game I noticed they were trying to get their TE out in the open. I once got told by the ref that I could not tell my DE to "Put the TE on his butt at the snap"

So I changed butt with wallet. DE understood ref still was a little upset. TE caught no passes that day

2 Things my offense will always have is a Wing and a Wedge


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32wedge
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August 20, 2019 5:12 am  

It means right hand pointed right, left hand pointed left.
It means they're trying to protect themselves from body-to-body contact instead of tackling.  Some players if you give them an opening to do so, do so.

I have the same problem especially with green players who are learning to like contact.  They end up catching the runner without ever extending their arms around him. 


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32wedge
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August 20, 2019 5:25 am  

--I have no idea what this means.

Bob is trying to teach players who are scared of contact a technical way to make tackles.

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