Killer B

JJ's 33 Stack Attack

Jack's 63

All have SERIOUS attack modes.

JJ's is IMO the simplest of those to run, but is also the most "controversial" due to its simplicity, and the fact you have to have the stomach for it.  Most coaches do not.

10-1 can get more pressure then that haha

10-1 can get more pressure then that haha

You're right.  I'm afraid of giving up a quick slant for 6 or a missed tackle up the middle going for 6 though.  But I've also considered the 10-1 over each of the last couple of years and just never had the guts to do it.

Killer B

JJ's 33 Stack Attack

Jack's 63

All have SERIOUS attack modes.

JJ's is IMO the simplest of those to run, but is also the most "controversial" due to its simplicity, and the fact you have to have the stomach for it.  Most coaches do not.

I don't know much about JJ's 33 Stack Attack so I am gonna have to read up on it.  Why is it most coaches don't have the stomach for it?  I'm guessing that would be answered if I read up on it.  😉

Check out Bill Mountjoy's 4-2-5 and his tigercat calls. You could play it as a 44, 425, or 60. Seems pretty versitile.

Brain

The misnomer about the DC46 is that is requires talent. It requires talented coaching. 

The reality is that it does not have any minimum player positions by design. That is so you play your minimums where they are supposed to play….on the Offense.

Much easier to play kids that are still finding their way on the Offense and still have them be successful. More difficult to do on Defense. A breakdown on Offense then you typically get another down...a breakdown on defense usually results in points given up. 

Every kid is good at something and every team has 10 that can exicute the DC46. You can get away with ONE minumum player position in this D...at one of the DT positions.

Before you pick a Defense you need to study a philosophy for your Offense.

Cisars WT6 and JJ's Stack Attack promote minimum player positions. Still...think about those Defenses with your best 10 or 11 on the field. They become...even better.

I am not familiar with Jacks 63 but knowing Jack....it is well thought out and very complete.

The Killer Bee is on the map now as well. Coaches seem to really like it.

I don't know much about JJ's 33 Stack Attack so I am gonna have to read up on it.  Why is it most coaches don't have the stomach for it?  I'm guessing that would be answered if I read up on it.  😉

Because JJ's D works on the assumption that pressure is the answer for most of what an offense can do.  It calls for the stacks to play tap and go as the base, and being in base the vast majority of the time.

The mentality you need to have is "get off the field in 4 downs, even if that means you're sending out your kick-off receive team".  You don't have to think that literally, but that's the general gist of it.  You can't be afraid of big plays against you.  The underlying thought is this - the pressure you bring will make more plays than it gives up over the course of a possession/game/season.  You're betting that your O can convert the extra possessions the D gives you on the plays it makes to account for the plays it gives up.

There aren't too many coaches who can do that game in game out.

Dan Lyons has a D that seems to have a lot of answers and seemed to work very well this year.

I don't know what his policy is as to sharing it.

I don't know much about JJ's 33 Stack Attack so I am gonna have to read up on it.  Why is it most coaches don't have the stomach for it?  I'm guessing that would be answered if I read up on it.  😉

http://www.coachsomebody.com/nike-coy-clinic-33-stack-attack/

JJ's D works on the assumption that pressure is the answer for most of what an offense can do.

What if they do the stuff that pressure isn't the answer for?

I want an attacking defense that blitzes the offense

Is there a particular defense that you can't do this with?

--Dave

What if they do the stuff that pressure isn't the answer for?

John definitely gave the short answer ... lol
A long time ago, I read somewhere that you pretty much need 13-14 defenders to completely shut down every offensive scheme ... so the 33Stack is designed to defend the run with 9 defenders (most common youth play is a run) as well as defending the pass with 5 defenders (relying on pressure to take away the longer developing pass plays that we are not set up to defend) ... we believe this gives us our 14 total defenders ...

So we feel that our defense is sound against pretty much anything in the running game ... specifically what is generally run at the youth level ... sweep, dive, pitch, power, lead, etc. ... 

We feel that it is also pretty sound against most of the passing we would see at the youth level as well ... short and intermediate passes that our zone keeps in front but we also keep our DOGs in the general 'break area' where many routes break in or out ...

This is still a pretty basic answer but we feel that most everything else can be handled by pressure or at least we can make it difficult with pressure ...

Perhaps if you site something specific that pressure isnt the answer for ...

Perhaps if you site something specific that pressure isnt the answer for ...

I didn't (and don't) have anything specific in mind.

It was more just a reference to the fact that if you are good against 19 out of 20 things the offense can do, you're not going to succeed 95% of the time, because the one thing you aren't good against is going to be run a lot more than 5% of the time.

I didn't (and don't) have anything specific in mind.

It was more just a reference to the fact that if you are good against 19 out of 20 things the offense can do, you're not going to succeed 95% of the time, because the one thing you aren't good against is going to be run a lot more than 5% of the time.

Only by the good coaches ... 😎

Seriously though ... there is NO DEFENSE that is perfect against everything ... it just isnt possible ... especially with the talent constraints most coaches have to deal with ... so we play the odds ...

If I send you to Vegas with a system that works 95% of the time, you will come home a millionaire ... you will lose sometimes but if you are smart enough not to bet the farm everytime then that 1 loss in 20 wont hurt you ... obviously that is a loose comparison ... but I have found plenty of teams that dont even have the 1 in 20 play installed in their offense ... even some of the good coaches miss out on that ...

Any my question about something specific wasnt a challenge or anything ... I just like to hear what ideas people have about beating what we do ... in part out of curiosity and in part to see if I can find the answer ...