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It's really astonishing how many teams we played and have left on the schedule that run an eagle front. I'm curious as to why most teams favor this look. 

 

Any of you eagle front guys  from 5-14 yr she groups please voice your thoughts. 

 

Eagle front is a 3-0-3 look. Tackles outside should of the guards with a nose 

I can explain it to you, I can't understand if for you.


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Posted by: @bucksweep58

 Any of you eagle front guys  from 5-14 yr she groups please voice your thoughts. 

Yes, PLEASE voice your thoughts.  I'd LOVE to know...

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Posted by: @bucksweep58

It's really astonishing how many teams we played and have left on the schedule that run an eagle front. I'm curious as to why most teams favor this look. 

 

Any of you eagle front guys  from 5-14 yr she groups please voice your thoughts. 

 

Eagle front is a 3-0-3 look. Tackles outside should of the guards with a nose 

We didn't see it as much the places where I coached in the Bronx, but here we're in it most of the time and most of our opponents are as well, and if I were in charge of defense I'd use it a lot too with the players we have.

Our DG is our FB, and when he's out of the game we usually get out of the odd front.  If you have a human bowling ball like that, sitting on the center of the line, or maybe shaded a bit, is the most advantageous place for him.  Sitting directly on the nose does give the offense their choice of who to double team him with, but that still means one of our DTs has a good shot getting inside, even while lined up in a B gap.  Meanwhile their C has no obvious first steps that'd get him to 2nd level, so it's like we always have two OL occupied.


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Dont run it now but have and have always trusted it. 

For me its not a gap control scheme but instead occupies 5 blockers with 3 defenders keeping Linebackers clean. 

Being that the most common rule used by OLM is some kind on a gap scheme...a 303 is a useful tool. 

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I use the bear front/46 for several reasons in youth football:

1. If done correctly I should get an unblocked LBer vs the run
2. Tough front to zone block
3. Formation adjustments are very simple
4. Coverage is simple
5. I don't need a lot of calls, the base rules make sure we do not get outnumbered. The highest scoring team in our league last year toggled between spread sets and power I. Gave us no problems, didn't have to make any calls. The kids just followed the base rules for alignment and pitched a shutout.
6. The assignments are so simple we can spend a lot of time on tackling and playing with leverage.


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A 303 front has it’s place, especially if you have a stud Nose. We played a team that ran a 303 vs us last year with a big and quick nose. The 3 techs left our center on an island vs the nose on any play we tried to pull our guards. Pretty much took Down and Buck away from us all game.


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Not a fan of 303. Since my goal on offense is to run off tackle, I look at a 303 and go, "really?  Okay", then let my OTs proceed to fold down the 3's like a cheap suit.

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Great feedback so far, I am on the same page as Gumby as the free off tackle we get. I understand the problems it gives the offense , however we have wide zoned teams to death so far vs eagle and teams still bring that on game day.  We haven't faced 1, 7 tech or even a 6 yet and we are churning yards pretty freely.

 

So if all things are equal and you face a heavy off tackle team (which one coach from last week called us) do you adjust the front or technique of your players?

I can explain it to you, I can't understand if for you.


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No, we don't have enough practice time for a bunch of different fronts and different techniques in youth football.   If you use a TE , we're gonna have someone in his face.  If you use two TE's, they'll both have someone in their face.  We're only in a 5 man front if there's no tight end.

If you're o line is too dominant the FS is coming down in the box and we're playing cover 0.

 


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A 303 front has it’s place, especially if you have a stud Nose. We played a team that ran a 303 vs us last year with a big and quick nose.

--I understand that you experienced this, but in the youth game (especially weight-regulated) the Nose Tackle is usually practically invisible.

The 3 techs left our center on an island vs the nose on any play we tried to pull our guards. Pretty much took Down and Buck away from us all game.

--Did you have an adjustment?

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Posted by: @bucksweep58

Great feedback so far, I am on the same page as Gumby as the free off tackle we get. I understand the problems it gives the offense , however we have wide zoned teams to death so far vs eagle and teams still bring that on game day.  We haven't faced 1, 7 tech or even a 6 yet and we are churning yards pretty freely.

 

So if all things are equal and you face a heavy off tackle team (which one coach from last week called us) do you adjust the front or technique of your players?

Depends. Running a 30 front its stunt heavy so you can dial up some things but that's an expensive teach.  As you know the 46 can post up TE's. My issues with the 46 is you can easily out formation the Defense and leave MIKE flapping in the wind. My adjustment...Cover 0....but you better have some dang good coverage players.   

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My son's team (10U) ran this front last weekend.

It did not go well. Here's what the other team did to beat it:

1) They lined up in a Double Wing-like set. I say Double Wing-like because the FB was four yards deep.

2) Shoe-to-shoe splits (sing it, kids, shoe to shoe so they don't get through).

3) Playside blocked GDB. Center blocked away.. picked up the blitzing Mike a few times. The backside pulled guard. The backside T cut or scooped the backside DT. The FB logged down on the DE who was crashing hard every play.

4) The QB reversed out, handed to the wing, and hockey-sticked out...

5) The wing picked up 10-15 yards.

It was like watching the movie Groundhog Day because it was the same thing over and over again. Worked perfectly.

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FWIW, we've only seen the 303 alignment twice - 2 different teams, 2 yrs apart in post season tournament play (our Rec League's "all-stars" team).  Both times all three pounded the snot out of our center.  They had no other purpose than to pummel our kid, force fumbles, bad snaps and intimidate our Center.   Worked both times, the second time (different kid) our Center refused to go back out after the half. 

Umm.... why does that 6 ft tall 9 yr old have a goatee...?


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Great feedback so far, I am on the same page as Gumby as the free off tackle we get. I understand the problems it gives the offense , however we have wide zoned teams to death so far vs eagle and teams still bring that on game day.  We haven't faced 1, 7 tech or even a 6 yet and we are churning yards pretty freely.

 

So if all things are equal and you face a heavy off tackle team (which one coach from last week called us) do you adjust the front or technique of your players?

Depends. Running a 30 front its stunt heavy so you can dial up some things but that's an expensive teach.  As you know the 46 can post up TE's. My issues with the 46 is you can easily out formation the Defense and leave MIKE flapping in the wind. My adjustment...Cover 0....but you better have some dang good coverage players.   

Yes, versus a spread I do not like Mike covering the back in space.  We have had much more success with blitzing Mike whenever the back releases outside the tackle.  The DE will pick up the back and we get a free rusher.  If the back releases inside the tackle, which is very rare in youth football,  the Mike has him.  


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FWIW, we've only seen the 303 alignment twice - 2 different teams, 2 yrs apart in post season tournament play (our Rec League's "all-stars" team).  Both times all three pounded the snot out of our center.  They had no other purpose than to pummel our kid, force fumbles, bad snaps and intimidate our Center.   Worked both times, the second time (different kid) our Center refused to go back out after the half. 

Then you had the wrong kid at Center.  We work our Center harder than anyone else on our team, simply because we know there are youth defenses out there who are going to try to blow up the Center (whether through a Nose, Mike, or double team).  That's why he's our team captain.  That's why he makes the call at the coin toss.  That's why he's our speaking captain.  I coach my Center the way most coaches coach their Quarterback.  At our practices, I make sure he takes on the biggest and the baddest and once he's handled those, we'll double team him with our biggest and baddest.

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The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

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