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This is a two part presentation with film.

Teaching Modern Tackling by Coach Tom Annett Part One
http://www.dumcoach.com/index.php/topic,13747.0.html

Teaching Modern Tackling by Coach Tom Annett Part Two
http://www.dumcoach.com/index.php/topic,13746.0.html

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Recommend.

Lot of good stuff in here.    Better and more comprehensive than what you get with USA football.

If you are an administrator of an org. than this should be required viewing for your coaches (unless you don't tackle this way).

This is the way virtually all college players are being taught now.


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I thought those were awesome.

I printed 23 pages from the first one for my O-Line book.  I might need more toner, but hey, maybe we'll block better.

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WOW, thanks M,will look at the second one tomorrow.Good stuff.

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WOW, thanks M,will look at the second one tomorrow.Good stuff.

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Oh dont thank me....heck Im a bite the ball coach. I found these on Hueys a while back.

Send Coach Annett a thank you note.  🙂

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When i talked w/ the CAL LB's coach, he said they only teach chestppate tackling to their LB's, because their strong enough to do it.  Their DB's would get trucked if they tried it.

So how does that relate to our level of football?  I know for an ansolute fact, at least half our team would get trucked, and knocked straight to fhe ground if they tried this. I've tried chestplate tackling for the entire team, and it did not work at all.  Kids were just getting g
flattened and hitting their heads on the ground. 

So I don't understand how this can be used by the entire team.  Does anyone have video, of a little guy mpp guy, taking on the other teams star running back, SQUARE, and chest plate tackling?  Showing me a bunch of 260 pound college LB's doing it, does nothing for me.

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When i talked w/ the CAL LB's coach, he said they only teach chestppate tackling to their LB's, because their strong enough to do it.  Their DB's would get trucked if they tried it.

So how does that relate to our level of football?  I know for an ansolute fact, at least half our team would get trucked, and knocked straight to fhe ground if they tried this. I've tried chestplate tackling for the entire team, and it did not work at all.  Kids were just getting g
flattened and hitting their heads on the ground. 

So I don't understand how this can be used by the entire team.  Does anyone have video, of a little guy mpp guy, taking on the other teams star running back, SQUARE, and chest plate tackling?  Showing me a bunch of 260 pound college LB's doing it, does nothing for me.

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No arguments there. But when I really began to study this thing...took a few passes... I at least began to see the goal and it seems really sound for all 11 positions.

All of the game clips appeared to be relative especially those HS clips with the ferocious CB's. Like in youth...the CB's were still outweighed.

We avoid playing minimums on Defense so I cant help you out there.... and if we must... never at CB.

My thinking and I would think you being a PW Coach would be a little worrisome as well...mandating Head Up. I see that coming so I dont want to be a dinosaur. If we dont tackle as well due to this...well neither will the opponent is how Im looking at it.

I am going to give this a go to include heads up non contact exaggeration drills in our dynamic warm ups.  For example, knee highs will be replaced with a Finish Position exercise since they mimic one another.

Anyway...I am suspicious but will give this a real chance.

Still...what an outstanding presentation by a Coach that actually teaches this live on grass and not in some gymnasium for the cameras. Much more valid IMO. 

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Great presentation.

Like i said Mike, i've tried it, and it IS NOT a one size fits all.  Period.  No if's and's or but's about it.  We walked through on bags.  We went full speed on bags.  We did everything your supposed to do.  Our best players did great w/ it.  But our smaller players got absolutely CRUSHED!  I mean huge devestating hits.  I could not allow it to go any further.  And i'm not just talking about MPP's.  I'm talking about smaller players that tried to take on my best RB's.  Some of the worst hits i've ever seen on a practice field came when i tried to install chest tackling for the entire team.

Eventually, i scrapped it all together.  As we just didn't have enough time to teach sperate tackling methods to different players. 

Kids who were good tacklers for me, roll tacklers and bite the ballers, were getting absolutely flattened.  So i would be VERY CAUTIOUS implementing w/ the entire team.  It's just plain science Mike.  A 90 pound kid, cannot chest plate tackle a 140 pound RB, straight on.  He can do it from the side, but if a RB decides he's going to put his shoulder down & truck the 90 pound kid, and that kid tries to shoulder tackle, VERY BAD THINGS HAPPEN.  MUCH safer for the 90 pound kid to bite the ball, or roll tackle.

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Great presentation.

Like i said Mike, i've tried it, and it IS NOT a one size fits all.  Period.  No if's and's or but's about it.  We walked through on bags.  We went full speed on bags.  We did everything your supposed to do.  Our best players did great w/ it.  But our smaller players got absolutely CRUSHED!  I mean huge devestating hits.  I could not allow it to go any further.  And i'm not just talking about MPP's.  I'm talking about smaller players that tried to take on my best RB's.  Some of the worst hits i've ever seen on a practice field came when i tried to install chest tackling for the entire team.

Eventually, i scrapped it all together.  As we just didn't have enough time to teach sperate tackling methods to different players. 

Kids who were good tacklers for me, roll tacklers and bite the ballers, were getting absolutely flattened.  So i would be VERY CAUTIOUS implementing w/ the entire team.  It's just plain science Mike.  A 90 pound kid, cannot chest plate tackle a 140 pound RB, straight on.  He can do it from the side, but if a RB decides he's going to put his shoulder down & truck the 90 pound kid, and that kid tries to shoulder tackle, VERY BAD THINGS HAPPEN.  MUCH safer for the 90 pound kid to bite the ball, or roll tackle.

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I was happy to see Gator Rolling in that document. That is what we teach our DB's.

I tried Wyatts Surer Safer methods a while back and bailed in pre season. I felt it was too difficult to teach the old dogs a new trick. Our current team has only played one season so nothing is ingrained.

I agree with everything you are saying.

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When i talked w/ the CAL LB's coach, he said they only teach chestppate tackling to their LB's, because their strong enough to do it.  Their DB's would get trucked if they tried it.

So how does that relate to our level of football?  I know for an ansolute fact, at least half our team would get trucked, and knocked straight to fhe ground if they tried this. I've tried chestplate tackling for the entire team, and it did not work at all.  Kids were just getting g
flattened and hitting their heads on the ground. 

So I don't understand how this can be used by the entire team.  Does anyone have video, of a little guy mpp guy, taking on the other teams star running back, SQUARE, and chest plate tackling?  Showing me a bunch of 260 pound college LB's doing it, does nothing for me.

Winged,

Another element to consider is If the Linebackers are only strong enough to make this form of tackle.  How are the weaker players with possible weaker neck muscles going to fare out safety-wise with other tackles.

I am a big believer they each kid should tackle in a way that is comfortable to him and breeds the most confidence, but I also believe the Heads Up program is still the safest way to go.

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Winged,

Another element to consider is If the Linebackers are only strong enough to make this form of tackle.  How are the weaker players with possible weaker neck muscles going to fare out safety-wise with other tackles.

I am a big believer they each kid should tackle in a way that is comfortable to him and breeds the most confidence, but I also believe the Heads Up program is still the safest way to go.

Other tackling methods aren't as physically demanding as chest tackling.  If you think that a small DB, can go head up against the best RB in the league w/ a chest tackle, you are mistaken.  That DB is going to get crushed, and is subject to serious injury. 

I'm all for chest tackling w/ certain players, but if you think one size fits all, your incorrect.  I've seen what it does to the smaller kids.  Are we only supposed to protect the good players?  These USA guys are trying to say this is how ALL tackles should be made by all players, but that is a flat out lie.  BULL SHIT!  I've seen it first hand, and it is not good at all for a lot of players. 

Chest tackling is NOTHING MORE, than another way to help SOME players avoid injuries.  But it is NOT, for everyone. 

Like i said, show me the tape of the small player taking on the other teams best RB who has a 40 pound weight advantage, straight up, no jukes, using a chest tackle.  I'd love to see it. 

Showing a bunch of clips of college players do it, who have the benefit of weight training and superior speed (which creates force) proves NOTHING for youth football.  If everyone in USA football is doing it, then post the damn tapes of kids doing it. 

Chest tackle is a tool in your tool belt.  Nothing more.

Sorry if i sound frustrated, but i hate this idea that this is one size fits all.  Because it's not.  And i really feel like this whole thing is little more than a marketing ploy. 

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Winged,

All I can say is it's not about the tackle, its about creating a muscle memory in the way a player tackles.

I posted a video over in the Heads Up thread - http://www.dumcoach.com/index.php/topic,13438.0.html All coaches should check it out.

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I think you can still and probably should bring the head to side a little as you come up to avoid the helmet. 

I think the problem a lot of coaches have with the tech is it often shown against a vertical non moving target.  As we all know the target is never vertical.  It is leaning into you at speed.

You have to get under it and drive it up or in alternative wrap the legs or knock the legs away.

You have to practice it at some point with leaning dummies and leaning runners.


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I think you can still and probably should bring the head to side a little as you come up to avoid the helmet. 

I think the problem a lot of coaches have with the tech is it often shown against a vertical non moving target.  As we all know the target is never vertical.  It is leaning into you at speed.

You have to get under it and drive it up or in alternative wrap the legs or knock the legs away.

You have to practice it at some point with leaning dummies and leaning runners.

That, and all they show us as evidence, are college and pro players executing it. 

If i had nationally broadcast a film of us installing chest tackling, we would all be looking for something else to do in the summer.

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That, and all they show us as evidence, are college and pro players executing it. 

If i had nationally broadcast a film of us installing chest tackling, we would all be looking for something else to do in the summer.

I didn't have any problems with it.    It's the same as it's always been except last several years we aren't burying our facemask in the numbers, but we always hit numbers or ball high and drove up with our arms.   

Mostly, I  just line the kids up opposite each other and they run forward and we rip up and drive through 3 steps through the hit from an angle.    We don't even go to ground.  We don't miss many tackles.  I do other tackling drills too, mainly hip rolling, shedding and open field stuff, but that is the crux of it once we are rolling. 

Runner has to lean forward and protect himself.  We get under him and drive him up and back.  Any age and most sizes can do it. 

In future I will have a whole speedy circuit complete with numerous turnover drills starting from knees and rolling hips. 

You guys keep giving these examples of a 40 pound mentally disabled kid against a 190 lb. future D1 TE and then want to throw the baby out with the bathwater on the whole shabang.    He ain't going to tackle that kid above the waist with any tech known to man.

Teach that kid to hit the legs head up and gator roll or dive across shin high with head up and protect his head with his forearm. 

NFL corners don't tackle 250 lb+ backs or TE's high either.  No one does except DL and big LB's. 


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