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terrypjohnson
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Last night, I split off 6/8 kids from the main group and had them run a handful of plays, while I taught the other kids SAB and pulling. After practice, I had no less than 10 parents come up to me and ask me to try their kid at QB. As I always do, I told them that football is a team game, and that all 25 kids will play where they help the team the most.

Yes, I'm expecting a call from the rec director any moment *LOL*.

All joking aside, does anyone else have this problem or is it just the parents in my league?

Full disclosure: I'm walking the walk on this one. My middle son played QB and Wingback all his life. However, his coach decided to put him at LT. Since my son knew what I was going to say, he embraced it. He spent the whole car ride home talking about how his favorite play now is GT Counter because he gets to "truck somebody".

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Unfortunately I do get this a lot. 

I tell the team is first blah blah

If they persist I ask them "is your son better than my QB/rb/mlb I have right now".   If you think so maybe you haven't seen him at practice. 

 

That solves it lol

I can explain it to you, I can't understand if for you.


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gumby_in_co
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I don't have many kids who want to play QB. Right now, it's WR. Pity because we don't really have those. We're in week 3 and I've had 3 parents this week ask me, "So are we ever going to throw the ball?"

My son (backs coach) was really pissed last night. Lots of goofing off and bad attitudes by the backs. One of my pet peeves is a kid asking me in the middle of a drill if they can play another position or on the other side of the ball. I guess my blocking backs and counter backs were asking him if they could move to Motion Back (main ball carrier) last night. My answer to that is "Sure. You can move to motion back. Congratulations, you are now my 4th string Motion back. I'll put you in about every 10 plays or so"

Game plan? I got your game plan. We gonna run the bawl some. We gonna throw the bawl some. We gonna play some defense. We gonna run some special teams, but we better not run kick return but one time and we sure as heck better not punt.


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Posted by: @gumby_in_co

I don't have many kids who want to play QB. Right now, it's WR. Pity because we don't really have those. We're in week 3 and I've had 3 parents this week ask me, "So are we ever going to throw the ball?"

 

Its like some Badge of Honor you and Jake have latched onto. 🤷‍♂️

Jake pulled out the old... 3 things can happen when you pass BS.

I corrected him. Its 5. 👍

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Posted by: @gumby_in_co

I don't have many kids who want to play QB. Right now, it's WR. Pity because we don't really have those. We're in week 3 and I've had 3 parents this week ask me, "So are we ever going to throw the ball?"

My son (backs coach) was really pissed last night. Lots of goofing off and bad attitudes by the backs. One of my pet peeves is a kid asking me in the middle of a drill if they can play another position or on the other side of the ball. I guess my blocking backs and counter backs were asking him if they could move to Motion Back (main ball carrier) last night. My answer to that is "Sure. You can move to motion back. Congratulations, you are now my 4th string Motion back. I'll put you in about every 10 plays or so"

Unfortunately, I'm prohibited from doing that. League rules say that everyone has to start. We have 25 on the roster, but 4-5 of them I've never seen. So, assuming we end up with only the 20 that have consistently been there, they all have to start, regardless of how many practices they've missed. I wish this rule would change after what happened with last year's 12U team (specifically 5-6 kids quit coming to practice because they knew I couldn't bench them.)

I haven't completely ruled out throwing the ball occasionally this season. We had a couple of kids that can throw a hitch and flair routes. I may try that when it's time to install the Sweep concept (I always start with Power / Counter first).

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With us, its not so much that parents want their kid at QB, but that they don't want their kid to play OLine, unless they also play Defense.  We're an all start league, with 18 kids only 4 can play 2-ways.  We've had Olinemen in the past mess up thinking that would put them on the Defense, and pretty sure in a couple cases, the idea originated with the parents.      Sadly, parents don't think much of Olinemen, and think its a knock against the kid if he is one.   

We go the extra mile to acknowledge our Oline.  Our TB just had a game for the ages, and it was the Oline that made his day.   I'm looking for a special T-shirt for the OL to reward them.  Some pithy saying of some kind.  

Any suggestions?   Our Team is named the Cowboys (inherited name), something that might fit that ...

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Umm.... why does that 6 ft tall 9 yr old have a goatee...?


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We did dri-fits for our o-line.  Can't recall what we had printed on them..."BEAST CLUB," or something like that they had chosen.

Our o-line (2 Guards, 2 Tackles) always went out for the coin toss.  My Center was my offensive captain (NOT THE QB).  

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Posted by: @mahonz

 

Its like some Badge of Honor you and Jake have latched onto. 🤷‍♂️

Jake pulled out the old... 3 things can happen when you pass BS.

I corrected him. Its 5. 👍

Relax. Pass is going in this week. If we show we understand the slide protection, I'll even start working on Gun from Mega.

Happy now? 😊 

Game plan? I got your game plan. We gonna run the bawl some. We gonna throw the bawl some. We gonna play some defense. We gonna run some special teams, but we better not run kick return but one time and we sure as heck better not punt.


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Posted by: @coach-kyle

I've had 2 kids parents who have complained. Another parent who is a coach sort of threatened to walk if his kid wasn't a potential starter. He's sort of boarder-line a starter... just doesn't have size or speed. Oh and one of the directors kids is our starting QB and a coaches kid is the backup. So that was also their complaint. Apparently I'm being "disrespectful". 

We were pretty much able to put an end to all that with the Sunday Night phone calls, the pre-season Parents Meetings, and the one-on-one meetings I had as a high school header when I'd meet with the player and his parents in pre and post-season.  Once they found out what we were all about and how we did things, the complaints went away.  I wish I'd started with all that from the very beginning, but I never had some old guy on a message board telling me about it.

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The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

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Posted by: @gumby_in_co
Posted by: @mahonz

 

Its like some Badge of Honor you and Jake have latched onto. 🤷‍♂️

Jake pulled out the old... 3 things can happen when you pass BS.

I corrected him. Its 5. 👍

Relax. Pass is going in this week. If we show we understand the slide protection, I'll even start working on Gun from Mega.

Happy now? 😊 

😎

 

Please call one of your pass  plays " Spider Y 2 Banana"

It just sounds cool. 👍

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What is beautiful, lives forever.


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Posted by: @coyote

With us, its not so much that parents want their kid at QB, but that they don't want their kid to play OLine, unless they also play Defense. 

Generally these types think that their precious little snowflake are going to get a College Scholarship playing football. 

The Youth Orgs I have coached in generally feed large HS programs and successful ones at that. Once these types hit the MS levels and their snowflakes body types are apparent....I simply remind them that skill positions are a dime a dozen.... O and D  Linemen are like gold. When Timmy shows up for summer workouts as a Freshman in HS there is going to be 75 players and maybe a dozen are Linemen. 

Typically that shuts them up...for a while. 

Then I remind them how much good O-linemen make in the NFL. There are only 32 QB's....there are 160 OLM and every team is desperate for them...just like every youth team....HS team....and College team 😎

 

 

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Posted by: @mahonz

I simply remind them that skill positions are a dime a dozen

FWIW, I refer the ball handlers as speed kids and OL as the true skill positions.  Speed / hand-eye coordination can be improved, but generally already there.  "Skill" is something learned, and no one learns more techniques and skills than OLine.   In my opinion, as well executed cross-block [A thing of true beauty] takes more skill than outrunning slower kids.  

Umm.... why does that 6 ft tall 9 yr old have a goatee...?


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Posted by: @mahonz

Then I remind them how much good O-linemen make in the NFL. There are only 32 QB's....there are 160 OLM and every team is desperate for them...just like every youth team....HS team....and College team 😎

Mike, you bring up a good point, but almost every NFL team has 3 QBs, so while I may be terrible at math (and I am), I think that's 96 NFL QBs.

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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Posted by: @coachdp
Posted by: @coach-kyle

I've had 2 kids parents who have complained. Another parent who is a coach sort of threatened to walk if his kid wasn't a potential starter. He's sort of boarder-line a starter... just doesn't have size or speed. Oh and one of the directors kids is our starting QB and a coaches kid is the backup. So that was also their complaint. Apparently I'm being "disrespectful". 

We were pretty much able to put an end to all that with the Sunday Night phone calls, the pre-season Parents Meetings, and the one-on-one meetings I had as a high school header when I'd meet with the player and his parents in pre and post-season.  Once they found out what we were all about and how we did things, the complaints went away.  I wish I'd started with all that from the very beginning, but I never had some old guy on a message board telling me about it.

--Dave

The pre-season parent meeting has definitely helped. Can you tell me more about this one on one thing? I cannot do a phone call. I think that's much too much for me. I already thinking about this stuff all the time. I need to spend time on other things in my life.

What I do have time for is a meeting with the parent's kids after practice. Perhaps a pre-emptive meeting would be a great way to take control of these situations. Maybe with the child involved? 

I'm getting feedback apparently that the parents feel like I don't do enough communication, so I need to do something. I can probably afford a meeting with one kid after practice.

I work 40-50 hours a week. Football is a 10-12 hour commitment, not including all the doodling, lettering, and thinking. Commute is probably 5 hours. I can sacrifice 10 minutes at the end of practice. Or maybe I make Friday a free day? Maybe I ask for help from assistant coaches?


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Can you tell me more about this one on one thing? I cannot do a phone call. I think that's much too much for me.

--Kyle, you can't complain about getting wet from the rain but then refuse to carry an umbrella.  If you want to change an outcome, you have to change what you're doing.  ALL of this is time-consuming.  If you want to know why we were successful over the years, it's because I was willing to put more time into it.

What I do have time for is a meeting with the parent's kids after practice. Perhaps a pre-emptive meeting would be a great way to take control of these situations. Maybe with the child involved? 

--That wouldn't have worked for me.  I allotted an hour with each player & their parents and usually scheduled 2-3 per day, depending on the parents' availability.  At the high school level, with 45-50 players, this took a few weeks, but it was all in post-season and pre-season, so the time it took (in this regard) really didn't matter.

I'm getting feedback apparently that the parents feel like I don't do enough communication, so I need to do something.

--The Sunday night phone call usually took me about an hour (for approx. 25 kids), based on the fact that some parents don't answer and you get their voice mail, others don't have much to say and are very brief, but others seemed to enjoy the process.  Regardless, they ALL appreciated it (based on their feedback), and the fact that I was reaching out to them.  I would never coach football as a header without doing this.  When I was a O-Line and RB coach at MCHS, I called the parents of the players in my group weekly.  I just received a nice message from one of the parents whose son I coached 4 YEARS AGO.  If you think it's too much work, then split up the number of calls between you and a trusted AC.  And then switch phone lists for the next week.  But complaining about your situation and then refuse to attempt to fix it because of how much time you think it will take is foolhardy, in my opinion.

I work 40-50 hours a week. Football is a 10-12 hour commitment, not including all the doodling, lettering, and thinking. 

--Do you really want to tell me how much time this all takes? Seriously?

--Dave

 

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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