For those who have done double wing, do you find the pitch easier, the same, or harder than a shotgun snap?
I think in a push the under center snap wins. We were using the shotgun snap in a game, and in a critical moment the center flung a snap over the QB’s head. It was an easy 5 inches to get into the endzone too. And so if it’s equal, the under center wins because in those situations you can just have the QB take the snap and wedge it in.
What are your thoughts?
My current team's inability to shotgun snap approached the level of "super power", complete with origin story. This led me to "ban" shotgun snaps last season. I am lifting my ban based on a single player who can shotgun snap. It's not an exaggeration to say that our entire season hinges on this player at center/snapper.
Because of this, I have paid close attention to other teams' shotgun snaps. With very few exceptions (Troy), I would categorize shotgun snaps as an unacceptable risk. I probably watch as much or more of Troy's game film than his AC's and I can't recall a game that he lost due to bad snaps. His team is alone in that category, at least in our neck of the woods. In fact, I don't think that he would argue that he won his round 1 playoff game due to bad shotgun snaps from his opponent.
I feel that the toss is MUCH easier, safer, consistent (whatever you want to call it) than the shotgun snap. In fact, I used a toss for our Beast last year.
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Until last season, I would have said the Shotgun Snap. However, to maximize my team's ability last year, I went to the Double Wing. We ran Toss and Toss Sweep roughly 100 times in 8 games with zero fumbles.
I'm sure our QB hears me saying "7'oclock. Pitch the ball. Go get an LB" in his sleep!
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For those who have done double wing, do you find the pitch easier, the same, or harder than a shotgun snap?
I am completely lost as to what you're asking. Pitch vs. shotgun snap? I don't understand the comparison.
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For those who have done double wing, do you find the pitch easier, the same, or harder than a shotgun snap?
I am completely lost as to what you're asking. Pitch vs. shotgun snap? I don't understand the comparison.
--Dave
Basically, what's a higher risk of fumbles?
If you snap it UC and toss it in DW or if you shotgun snap it and just run it.
I don’t think I’ve ever had a fumble from the toss.
snaps are different story for me, though. 2 years ago we couldn’t get a reliable under center snap. We lost our first game bc of it. After that, we went shotgun and didn’t have a fumbled snap the rest of the year. Last year, though, I had issues with both. And I know we lost our semifinal game bc of a high shotgun snap. No fumble, but it threw off the timing enough that it killed our play on 4th down at the end of the game.
all that to say… the question isn’t if toss is dangerous… the question is if you can teach an under center or shotgun snap. Apparently, I have trouble with both 🙂
Basically, what's a higher risk of fumbles?
If you snap it UC and toss it in DW or if you shotgun snap it and just run it.
We've run Double Wing from UC and Gun at youth and high school. One is not more risky or problematic than the other. For us, our Centers and QBs get 150 snaps every practice; fumble or glitch it and you start over again from zero. At youth that means 450 consecutive snaps weekly and at high school 600. We have a Toss drill for our QBs and WBs, and hand-off drills for our WBs on criss cross. If you overlook this investment then it's likely you'll have problems with whatever you're not practicing or teaching well.
Certainly those coaches who think snaps should just be "automatic" will have those 2-3 gun snaps that go over their QB's head for a 15-yard loss, or their WBs can't handle a Toss because it's not only high, but 7 yards deep.
But your question is in regards to a fundamental and if the fundamental is taught well and thoroughly practiced then there should be no issues.
--Dave
"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."
The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."
#BattleReady newhope
Having run both DW from the Gun and under center, I found that the under center version was the more consistent.
With the Gun snap, the slightest bobble or off target snap loused up the play's timing.
That being said, in 2015 we started the season with a 137 pound senior at center. Although this kid was "tougher than an old shoe," he was outweighed by an average of 150 pounds in our first 3 games and there was no way we could have the QB under center. We'd have never gotten a play off.
Being in the Gun gave us a chance to keep the offense running.
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