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Any tips for coaching the pop up?  What’s the aiming point for the ball? I assume just behind the first line?


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Any tips for coaching the pop up?  What’s the aiming point for the ball? I assume just behind the first line?

Get the tallest kick-off tee.  (They come in more than one height.)  Lean the ball back in the tee so that it can be "scooped" by the kicker's foot.  Kicker kicks the ball hard getting underneath it.  Kids who have played soccer seem to have a better understanding of the physics of the kick than non-soccer players.  We worked it with our kicker every day.

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Posted by: @festivus15

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Any tips for coaching the pop up?  What’s the aiming point for the ball? I assume just behind the first line?

The pop up is a sweeping kick like a wedge in golf. 

 

I want the ball to drop somewhere in the 40 yard lines (40-49).  

 

This also has to be practiced. We pop up kicks and have someone to run and catch it. We then work together to find the medium. 

 

Higher is better trust me. And only one person jumps for the ball designate that person and the rest hit the ball carrier. 

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Thanks, Zach and Dave.  Now that we wrapped up COD last night (the whole team finished 20+ minutes cheering each other on the whole way), I have more time at practice for special teams and can start working this.    

 


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Pop up kicks are terrifying for the return team especially bc if they aren't coached to fair coach they're getting laid out.  If they are coached to fair catch they're not ready for us to jump for the ball prior to them getting it. 

What rules base are you using?  In Fed it's illegal touching for the kicking team to play the ball before it hits the ground.  In NCAA it's interference for the kicking team to play the ball if any receiving team player has a shot at a fair catch of it.  In Canadian it's AOK.


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What rules base are you using?  In Fed it's illegal touching for the kicking team to play the ball before it hits the ground.  In NCAA it's interference for the kicking team to play the ball if any receiving team player has a shot at a fair catch of it.

Bob, explain what "play the ball" means.

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Posted by: @festivus15

Now that we wrapped up COD last night (the whole team finished 20+ minutes cheering each other on the whole way)

It went well then?

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

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NfhS rule 6-1 art. 6. Page 54 of the 2021 NFHS rule book states. 

"If any K player recovers or catches a free kick the ball becomes dead. It belongs to him unless it is kick catch interference...."  

"Any K player may recover a free kick if it has both touched the ground and goes beyond the plane of R's free kick line."

It goes on to say in article 11 a pop up kicks is illegal.

 

Soo ... If you kick the ball off the tee to bounce high that is considered a "pop up kick".  These are illegal.  A high short kick is legal if kicked off the tee.  

Rule 6-5 art 6. Any kick in flight beyond the neutral zone ... k shall not

- touch the ball unless blocked into it by R 

-obstruct R path to the ball 

 

 

Through my rule interpreter, ball cannot be caught in the air by the kicking team. Must touch the ground.  So Bob is correct. And I've stolen more kick offs then one should be able to count. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by: @bob-goodman
Posted by: @bucksweep58

Pop up kicks are terrifying for the return team especially bc if they aren't coached to fair coach they're getting laid out.  If they are coached to fair catch they're not ready for us to jump for the ball prior to them getting it. 

What rules base are you using?  In Fed it's illegal touching for the kicking team to play the ball before it hits the ground.  In NCAA it's interference for the kicking team to play the ball if any receiving team player has a shot at a fair catch of it.  In Canadian it's AOK.

I believe Bob is right. In NFHS, the ball must touch the ground AND cross the R's free kick line. Otherwise, it's a dead ball if caught, first touching if not. So if K is the first person to touch the ball in the air after it goes 10 yards and fails to catch it, R may recover it and advance it. If he touches it and fails to recover it, then K recovers it, R has the option of taking the ball where it was first touched by K. 

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Posted by: @bucksweep58

@bob-goodman 

NfhS rule 6-1 art. 6. Page 54 of the 2021 NFHS rule book states. 

"If any K player recovers or catches a free kick the ball becomes dead. It belongs to him unless it is kick catch interference...." 

 

 

 

Same rule: "Any K player may recover a free kick if it has both touched the ground and goes beyond the plane of R's free-kick line. The two requirements may occur in any order."

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@bob-goodman 

NfhS rule 6-1 art. 6. Page 54 of the 2021 NFHS rule book states. 

"If any K player recovers or catches a free kick the ball becomes dead. It belongs to him unless it is kick catch interference...." 

 

 

 

Same rule: "Any K player may recover a free kick if it has both touched the ground and goes beyond the plane of R's free-kick line. The two requirements may occur in any order."

Yes I was editing as you responded. 

 

Funny though I've done this and seen this in high school games.  Soo now I know... Good thing I'm generally the umpire when I officiate high school. 

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Now that we wrapped up COD last night (the whole team finished 20+ minutes cheering each other on the whole way)

It went well then?

--Dave

Definitely.  I pushed them harder than I’ve ever pushed kids before, and they were almost laughing yesterday and enjoying COD. Day 1 I only had 3 finish and most really struggled.  Last night on day 4 they went 21 minutes (I missed the clock and let them go long) and the only thing that changed was their mindset. It was too short of a time for them to actually be in better shape physically.  I may circle back to it occasionally for a refresher, but I need to get thru the core install on offense and defense before my jamboree a week from tomorrow.

 


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Yes I was editing as you responded. 

 

Funny though I've done this and seen this in high school games.  Soo now I know... Good thing I'm generally the umpire when I officiate high school. 

I'm not going to act as if I knew that. I spent 20 minutes reading the rule and was about to tell Bob he was wrong when I found those two sentences. I think this may have been in response to safety concerns around the mortar kick.

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What rules base are you using?  In Fed it's illegal touching for the kicking team to play the ball before it hits the ground.  In NCAA it's interference for the kicking team to play the ball if any receiving team player has a shot at a fair catch of it.

Bob, explain what "play the ball" means.

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Touch it.


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Posted by: @bucksweep58

Yes I was editing as you responded. 

 

Funny though I've done this and seen this in high school games.  Soo now I know... Good thing I'm generally the umpire when I officiate high school. 

I'm not going to act as if I knew that. I spent 20 minutes reading the rule and was about to tell Bob he was wrong when I found those two sentences. I think this may have been in response to safety concerns around the mortar kick.

Concern over that goes back a very long way, to when "opportunity to make a fair catch" was introduced into the game, back when there was only one Football Rules Committee.  Some time after 1930, NCAA and NFL decided it wasn't really interference if nobody on the receiving team could actually have reached the ball in the air had it not been touched by a player of K or had they not been blocked.  Ineligible receivers touching a forward pass stopped being interference too.


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