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Posted by: @troy

@gumby_in_co I'm glad to hear that. Welcome back @Mahonz!

Thanks Brother. No grandkids playing fall HS sports this year. One in college that will redshirt his freshman year. So Im gonna jump back in and help with Defense. Should be fun....I can show up....coach....go home....veg. 👍😎

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Cut blocking is used by undersized, undermanned teams to slow DL penetration and give themselves a chance to execute plays. The only ones supporting banning cut blocking are coaches with superior size who dont want to be inconvenienced by smaller teams trying to do more with less. Our lines are frequently outsized by over 30 lbs per player. We crab and cut block without apology. 

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Cut blocking is used by undersized, undermanned teams to slow DL penetration and give themselves a chance to execute plays. The only ones supporting banning cut blocking are coaches with superior size who dont want to be inconvenienced by smaller teams trying to do more with less. Our lines are frequently outsized by over 30 lbs per player. We crab and cut block without apology. 

I agree with this 100%

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Based on what I've seen and experienced coaching youth ball over a number of years, I think it's just another stupid rule change.  Rather than just throw out an opinion, I'll substantiate it:  In the time I coached and running plays 100% against ourselves, and in all of the games we played and games that I've observed - there was only a single time that an opposing coach made the claim that his son was hurt by what he called was a dirty cut block...There was no ambulance called to the scene and I question the veracity of his claim and I wonder if the claim would be the same if the score wasn't US by a lot to zero.

I have heard people complaining about cuts or blocking below the waist and usually these complaints are when a team is getting their butts kicked and they do not know or understand the rules.  As far as safety goes, I do not believe that it's an inherently unsafe block.  

I will add that I've felt, since the whole CTE and concussion stuff that came on the scene a number of years ago, that youth football's days are numbered.  I think it's a culmination of fear-mongering about concussions, covid and really the lack of community and togetherness that all play their individual roles in the undoing of the game.

To cut or not to cut?
I guess if you're coaching in PW you aren't going to have a choice.  For everyone else coaching in the free world: it's an effective block in many ways...If it wasn't, I doubt we'd be debating it at this stage "in the game".  I actually view it more as an interference block than anything else.  Sure you get the rare occasion when a player actually makes contact with an opposing defensive lineman but in the majority of cases, the defense gets hit with them a couple of times and grows weary quickly, it slows them down, they have to run around or hop over the cutting end and it affords the WB enough time to hit the hole and be running downhill.  Probably the biggest risk of running a cut block is that your center is typically going to have a man on man away assignment and if there's nobody on him, he's going to be stepping backside and will likely be making contact with the defensive lineman who is also being cut block by the end.  This is a 15 yard penalty and it's bad for business.

I'd love to see what Coach Potter is doing in lieu of the cut, I don't think I've seen it.  Without seeing it, I'll still play devils advocate: running the DTDW traditionally WITH a cut, you can throw just about any player in at end and they only really need to know two things: (1) how to cut when they are on the backside.  (2) how to TKO when they are on the playside. 

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I'd love to see what Coach Potter is doing in lieu of the cut, I don't think I've seen it.  Without seeing it, I'll still play devils advocate: running the DTDW traditionally WITH a cut, you can throw just about any player in at end and they only really need to know two things: (1) how to cut when they are on the backside.  (2) how to TKO when they are on the playside. 

We haven't cut block in a while.  High school referees started flagging us (or threatening to flag us in the pre-game meet) despite my willingness to show them that we were foot-to-foot and within the FBZ.  Producing the rule book didn't help them, either.  So we just started using a pull/hinge on the backside by either our BSTE, or our BST when we ran GaTE.  We found the pull/hinge worked better than the cut ever did.  It's actually an easier approach to teach because we really only have to teach pull steps for the Guards, Tackles and Tight Ends, whereas before, the Tight Ends were the only ones learning to Scramble block (our term for the "cut").  Once we started teaching pull steps for the Tight End, we started pulling the Tight End.  We never pulled the Tight End back when we were cut blocking.

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 High school referees started flagging us (or threatening to flag us in the pre-game meet) despite my willingness to show them that we were foot-to-foot and within the FBZ.  Producing the rule book didn't help them, either

The referees we had in AYF were high school referees also.  I remember speaking to a referee during a playoff or superbowl game and I was talking about the FBZ and it was almost as if he had never heard of it or the rules around it.  We pulled a few flags from time to time but it was never enough to make a significant difference in the outcome of the game.  If we weren't executing as well as we were, the flags would have hurt us much more.  I just accepted them as incidentals that would happen from time to time, either because the referees screwed up or because we screwed up and chopped, not on purpose but because sometimes stuff happens.

Semi-related:
For as stupid of a game as football is, it's also a very strategic, timed, precision and organized game (sometimes more than others).  Many coaches do not bother to think that moving a player one step further from the ball prior to the snap means that after the ball is snapped they are going to be one step away from where the original play calls for them to be throughout the duration of the play.

Suppose your WB/QB exchange looks problematic and inconsistent...you could push your WB further out or bring him closer.  You could have him begin his motion sooner or change his motion path/depth.  One of these solutions may fix your problem, OR your problem may actually be the symptom of another issue (i.e. center/QB exchange, QB footwork, inconsistent cadence[, poor offensive line splits/alignment/stances making the line bow thus changing where the WB actually is when he starts).

When I was coaching, I really did my best to run the DTDW by the book.  I learned that when I started adjusting things around players, I was just creating more problems.  I figured the DTDW core/base plays were written in the way they were because when run by the book, they are sound and effective.  Are there other adjustments or ways to run the plays that still works?  Sure.  But unless you find yourself in a situation (like this with PW) why change it?

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Cut blocking is used by undersized, undermanned teams to slow DL penetration and give themselves a chance to execute plays. The only ones supporting banning cut blocking are coaches with superior size who dont want to be inconvenienced by smaller teams trying to do more with less. Our lines are frequently outsized by over 30 lbs per player. We crab and cut block without apology. 

I agree with this 100%

A John Carbon sighting! Hope all is well old friend. 👍

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Cut blocking is used by undersized, undermanned teams to slow DL penetration and give themselves a chance to execute plays. The only ones supporting banning cut blocking are coaches with superior size who dont want to be inconvenienced by smaller teams trying to do more with less. Our lines are frequently outsized by over 30 lbs per player. We crab and cut block without apology. 

I agree with this 100%

A John Carbon sighting! Hope all is well old friend. 👍

Hey Mike 🙂 I drop in here every so often to see how you guys are doing. All good on my side how about you?

Plugging along....older slower fatter. 😎

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@mahonz  LOL. Same here. At 53 you would imagine I would give it up but every time I try to retire they call me back. 

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