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Saw this yesterday on a Facebook football site.  

OP:  "Well found out that the offense we wanted to run was too complicated for our 11U and 9U teams. Throw me some simple offenses that a first year player can grasp quick but will still be effective."

When asked what his challenges were he replied:  "Snap, pulling guards that’s really it. Lol"

Obviously, he has no clue about the differences of scheme and fundamentals and because he can't teach fundamentals he wants to change his scheme.  Worse still is the it's "too complicated for our 11U and 9U teams," so he throws his kids under the bus blaming them for his own inadequacies.  Oh so typical...

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One of my ACs is the HC of a 3rd grade team. I am an AC for that team. He decided that he wants to run the DW and is all in. He ran the UBSW and Beast with great success in the past. His mastery of wedge is up there with Troy. In fact, I put him in charge of my wedge game.

Last year, the little guys were in USAF Rookie. 8 man and plenty of stupid rules that half the teams simply ignored. We had 11 kids including 3 triplets with what I would call extreme behavior issues. It was a disaster by every measure. This year, due to another team folding and an influx of new players, we are at 22. We gained depth, size, speed . . . we are going to be a team to reckon with.

We also have an influx of coaches. They have a lot of great energy, but some are pushing back on the DW and the GAM defense.

"Why is the tailback so close? Let's move him back"

"What is the reasoning behind having them crossover when pulling? I was always taught the 'lawnmower' method?"

"Why are you pulling with 3rd graders? I think we just need to have a dive, a sweep and a QB sneak."

"Why are you pitching the ball? I think handoffs would be more secure at this age?"

"I really like the Spread"

"Why do you want Joey at QB? Have you seen Jimmy throw the ball?"

HC isn't budging and neither am I, although I did have to sell the HC on the crossover step. Once I demo'd it, a light bulb went on. There are 3 of us coaches who are 100% onboard with the DW. 3 seem to be okay with whatever. 2 are challenging every other concept.

It never ceases to amaze me that so many dudes with whistles think that coaching is about finding bigger, faster kids who are naturally more aggressive than the other guys'.

When in doot . . . glass and oot.


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It never ceases to amaze me that so many dudes with whistles think that coaching is about finding bigger, faster kids who are naturally more aggressive than the other guys'.

That's it.  It's all about "finding" someone who can pull, catch, throw, tackle, etc.  The (excellence in) teaching aspect is non-existent.

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The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

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OP:  "Well found out that the offense we wanted to run was too complicated for our 11U and 9U teams. Throw me some simple offenses that a first year player can grasp quick but will still be effective."

What he should have said was:

OP:  "Well found out that the offense we wanted to run was too complicated for our 11U and 9U teams. Throw me some simple offenses that a first year coach can grasp quick but will still be effective."

--Dave

 

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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Someone recommended Beast to him, but even the simplest of offenses still has his two biggest challenges: shotgun snap and pulling.

When you can't run Beast at the youth level, then you shouldn't be out there.

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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When asked what his challenges were he replied:  "Snap, pulling guards that’s really it. Lol"

What is it with people thinking pulling G's with the young 'uns is not age-appropriate?  Seems every yr someone tells me we can't pull, trap, crossblock with 3rd & 4th graders....  We've been doing for yrs now.  Show 'em the proper steps, snaping their head and body around, and if you can't make a good block, run interference.   Ugh.... 

Umm.... why does that 6 ft tall 9 yr old have a goatee...?


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but some are pushing back on the DW and the GAM defense.

Best advice I ever got, when joining a new program was to "master the system before you try to change it.   Swallow the playbook and digest it before messing with the recipe."    

I tell new coaches that most of what they'd like to run is already in there, they just haven't gotten familiar enough with it. 

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Umm.... why does that 6 ft tall 9 yr old have a goatee...?


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And then there's the "wait until August 3 to begin asking questions about what you should do" crowd.

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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What is it with people thinking pulling G's with the young 'uns is not age-appropriate? 

Here's one from today:

OP: "Hey guys I’m coaching an 9U team and got a question about my OL. Do I want to put my bigger kids/or better athletes at the guards or tackles? I need to get positions settled on so they can start working more at individual groups. Thanks!"

I told him to forget about size or athleticism and put his best blockers there.

Here's another of his gems:

"Thank you guys for your feedback. I will say we don’t plan on pulling any guards. I plan on just having them blocking their man straight up or driving them to the left or right."

The humorous/interesting/sad aspect about all this are the ones patting him on the back and agreeing with him.

--Dave

 

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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What is it with people thinking pulling G's with the young 'uns is not age-appropriate? 

It's simply an excuse to deflect their inability to coach it.  Like the example I offered earlier, the dude said two age groups couldn't grasp the Shotgun T.  (Which, like anything else, is only as complex as the way you teach it.)  Their questions are rarely, "How do I learn how to...?"  Most often their statement is, "My players can't learn...so I have to teach something simpler."

Seems much more prevalent to just throw your kids under the bus.

Add to that, they won't accept the good news, which is the problem lies with them.  Why is that the good news?  Because they have control over that; they can change that.  Much harder change the minds and abilities of 20+ players.

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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Posted by: @coachdp

ones patting him on the back and agreeing with him.

Is there a face palm emoji?   Seems the blind are leading the blind, here.  My Dad used to say 'there is nothing sadder than a man who doesn't know, and doesn't know that he doesn't know.'  Apparently, there is a whole list of such guys.

Umm.... why does that 6 ft tall 9 yr old have a goatee...?


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Just got off the phone with the 3rd grade header.

GAM pushback was "If I were facing that defense, I'd just shift and motion to get you out of position". What makes the GAM uniquely vulnerabie to shifts and motion vs any other defense? He really wants to run a 5-3. Header is planning on installing GAM now and adding Killer Bee as the season goes on. So there you go. 5-3 (ish).

Header asked me what I've done to address DW naysayers on the staff. Other than Mahonz, I don't think it's ever come up. I had one coach when we were running mega splits who really wanted us to put outside foot back to get them ready for HS. Mahonz shut that down pretty quick. Same guy wasn't thrilled about 2 points stances either. His kid will be playing D1 on a scholarship this Fall, so we must not have messed him up too bad.

Header of a brand new 6th grade team has never coached and has only played youth. I asked him his plans for offense and he said "lots of formations". I was thinking, "That's too bad". Then the football gods threw him a lifeline. A coach just joined his staff who has 30 seasons of youth under his belt and has taken 2 teams from 2nd grade through 8th (kind of a big deal in our league). Bonus: they guy is a DWingnut. New HC told me he's probably gonna let him install "some DW" along with I, spread and who knows what else. I looked him dead in the eye and said, "If you have ever accepted a piece of advice in your life, please accept this.  For the sake of all that is holy, please, please, please turn the offense over to this guy 100%. Learn everything you can from him this first year, but let him do his thing. It will absolutely save your season."

So hopefully there will be 2 DW teams in our league and Mahonz will get the opportunity to crush it with the Facemelter. 🤣 🤣 🤣 

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Posted by: @coyote
Posted by: @coachdp

When asked what his challenges were he replied:  "Snap, pulling guards that’s really it. Lol"

What is it with people thinking pulling G's with the young 'uns is not age-appropriate?  Seems every yr someone tells me we can't pull, trap, crossblock with 3rd & 4th graders....  We've been doing for yrs now.  Show 'em the proper steps, snaping their head and body around, and if you can't make a good block, run interference.   Ugh.... 

I think a lot of it is people misunderstanding what the offensive line actually does. I've coached against (and even with one season) coaches that don't even tell the offensive line the play -- thinking that it doesn't matter to the line because it won't change who they block.

Fight 'em until Hell freezes over, then fight 'em on the ice -- Dutch Meyer


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Pulling offensive linemen might be the most overthought and overcoached part of football. It's almost like voodoo or a mythological creature to some people. It's probably because the person in charge of the scheme doesn't know who that lineman is pulling for...maybe? I don't know but it has always baffled me.


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Posted by: @seabass

pulling offensive linemen might be the most overthought and overcoached

Basically, we're just asking the kid to pick up his body and go block over there.   There are little things that make it easier, but the key to any offense or defense action or technique ...
1) repetition,
2) repetitive repetition and
3) redundant repetitive repetition.  

Umm.... why does that 6 ft tall 9 yr old have a goatee...?


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