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Prodigy
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September 14, 2020 1:33 pm  

What's your all time, favorite football play or plays and why?

For me, when I first started coaching, I was running the single wing and I thought the spinner stuff was awesome.  We never really ran it very well, but I just thought there was something beautiful about it.  When I saw the double wing WB counter, I fell in love.  If there's a single play out of the DTDW that sold me on the system, the counter was it.

Why?
Unless you KNOW the double wing, the counter almost looks like magic.  Where's the ball?  Plus, unlike quite a few other plays in football, you don't sacrifice much for the misdirection.

If you show up for a fair fight, you are unprepared.


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September 14, 2020 1:39 pm  

Ken, I completely get your logic.  I felt that way too, for a while.  But for me, it's Wedge.  It gives me the misdirection of Counter and the power of Toss.

--Dave

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September 14, 2020 2:41 pm  

@coachdp it's just not really as graceful as a counter.  I suppose there are some things to be said about the wedge.  It is kind of the ultimate "teamwork" football play when you get down to it.

 

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September 14, 2020 2:57 pm  
Posted by: @prodigy

@coachdp it's just not really as graceful as a counter.  

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  I've seen some well-equipped Jeeps with lines more graceful than a Maserati.

--Dave

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The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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September 14, 2020 3:17 pm  

32 Wedge, of course!

 


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September 14, 2020 3:18 pm  

2 answers. 

1) No play has ever given me more joy when it works than the Flapjack Pass. "What the fark is he doing . . . . ohhhhh."

2) The play I will forever hang my hat on is Beast Blast. No misdirection, simple moving parts, "my guys know something your guys don't", big neon sign saying "we are running right here and there is not one thing you can do about it". Thousands of yards and hundreds of points later. Good old Beast Blast.

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September 14, 2020 3:22 pm  
Posted by: @gumby_in_co

No play has ever given me more joy when it works than the Flapjack Pass. "What the fark is he doing . . . . ohhhhh."

Have run the Flapjack twice at the high school level.  50% success rate.  100% fun rate.

--Dave

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The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

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September 14, 2020 3:35 pm  

I had to look up the flapjack...Ended up on Cisar's site.  I've seen it before, on film at least.

We had a couple of plays that I don't think I ever saw diagrammed in a DTDW playbook.  Generally speaking, the backfield guys usually can throw and catch fairly well.  That's the downside to youth football, usually the kid who can throw the ball pretty well also happens to be your best receiver.

We ran something that I called "toss pass".  It developed just like toss left or right: playside wing would take off like he had an FBI assignment, motion wing would receive the toss and throw to the other wing.  It had the added benefit of flowing correctly, left wing in motion to right threw right.  Right wing in motion to the left throws left.  I think I only called it a few times, just to be cute.  It was never something I ever wanted to rely on to move the ball.  More often than not it was just something we did for the extra point.  edit--> also if the pass wasn't there, the WB could tuck and run.  Opponents saw us run so much that they would get sucked in and leave the WB wide open.

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September 14, 2020 3:59 pm  

I don't know that I have a favorite "play" but I definitely have a favorite scheme.

My favorite is power! I have a few reason's for loving it.

1-At it's root it's physical and downhill. I know (due to the double team) we're going to get movement where the ball should be inserted.

2-It's super versatile. I love a scheme that I can recycle out of multiple personnel packages...gives the illusion that we are running lots of different plays all the while nothing changes for the front 5...same job every time. We run power out of a bunch of different looks and I can get the ball in the hands of 4 different player's. The only thing that changes is how we handle the DE.

3--It sets up GT counter and IMO makes counter an easier install because you only have to change 1 OL's assignment.

The personnel packages I have available at the school I coach at are 10,11,12,20 and empty. All are out of the gun/pistol. We run power out of ALL 5 of those formations. We can make a single run scheme look like an entire playbook. When you add the RPO element to it it grows even more.

 


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September 14, 2020 7:28 pm  
Posted by: @coachdp

50% success rate.  100% fun rate.

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Nailed it. 

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September 14, 2020 7:32 pm  
Posted by: @prodigy

I had to look up the flapjack...Ended up on Cisar's site.  I've seen it before, on film at least.

We had a couple of plays that I don't think I ever saw diagrammed in a DTDW playbook.  Generally speaking, the backfield guys usually can throw and catch fairly well.  That's the downside to youth football, usually the kid who can throw the ball pretty well also happens to be your best receiver.

We ran something that I called "toss pass".  It developed just like toss left or right: playside wing would take off like he had an FBI assignment, motion wing would receive the toss and throw to the other wing.  It had the added benefit of flowing correctly, left wing in motion to right threw right.  Right wing in motion to the left throws left.  I think I only called it a few times, just to be cute.  It was never something I ever wanted to rely on to move the ball.  More often than not it was just something we did for the extra point.  edit--> also if the pass wasn't there, the WB could tuck and run.  Opponents saw us run so much that they would get sucked in and leave the WB wide open.

We screwed it up, but it still worked. Motion back was supposed to fake an outside handoff behind the QB.

Kent and I ran Toss pass a lot from DTDW. Got an "MPP-type" a TD in one game. We had a tag called "wheel" where we would toss to the WB, who would throw to the QB on a wheel route away from the toss. I think 3 TDs and a pick on the 4 times we ran "Toss Pass Wheel".

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September 15, 2020 4:19 pm  

Without a doubt, DTDW Wedge, 10 or 30, don't care...never seen so many different attempts by opponents to stop it...

None of them suck, they just haven't found what the kid is good at yet.


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September 15, 2020 4:38 pm  

I will forever love the inside counter to a wingback that is flowing opposite of power or toss sweep momentum.

 

There is just something beautiful about the angle and the way the wingback bursts through the gap created by the misdirection.


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September 15, 2020 6:43 pm  

Counter!  

 

I love a Great Trap/ Counter to the Short Side of the Formation off of The ISO Fake (I-Formation).   Another go to for years was a Crossbuck Counter from the Wishbone Formation, off Dive, Double Dive Fake.  It also works as an Inside Counter from the Wing, or DW. 

Almost like Springing the Option on em!  😱 

 

Not MPP... ONE TASK!  Teach them!  🙂


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September 15, 2020 10:18 pm  

So many.  Some I like to watch, others to coach.  But if I had to pick, pop pass.  It's because it's usually been set up well.  Several years ago it was "my baby" when I installed it, scouted it in-game, sent in the green light at the right time, the HC pulled the trigger, and TD in a crucial situation.  It goes with most series that have a quick FB dive, an outside threat, and a TE who hammers away hunting heads in the secondary until they're ducking him.

I was really hoping to persuade Coach Lance to put it in this season, but...no season.  ☹️ 


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