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CoachGomm
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Hey all,

I am implementing a new offense and I'm trying to come up with a naming system for each formation. The offense I am running is a spread pistol flexbone style offense that really only moves the 2 backs around. I have 4 different formation groups and then each group has 3 different sub formations. I am hoping to come up with an intuitive way of naming each formation so that the kids will be able to understand each formation quickly.

Formations:

  • Base: The base formation is basically 2x1 with 2 backs in the backfield and a 4 back that moves around. The key here is that the 3 back and 4 back are on opposite sides of the ball.

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Base Tight End

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Base Flex

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Base Split

  • Load: The load formation is the same as base, but the 3 back and 4 back are on the same sides of the ball.

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Load Tight End

  • 2x2: The 2x2 formation is also the same as base, but now with only 1 back in the backfield and the 3 back is split out. Similar key as above, 3 back and 4 back are on different sides of the ball.

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2x2 Tight End

  • 3x1: Finally the 3x1 formation is the same as the 2x2, but the 3 back and 4 back are on the same side of the ball.

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3x1 Tight End

Sub Formations:

  • Tight End/Base?: 4 back is in at TE

  • Flex/Wing: 4 back is in a flex or wing position

  • Split/Wide: 4 back is split out

Current Idea: My current plan for naming each formation is to give each formation group a category and each sub formation a letter. For example, if the Base formation was Heroes and Load was Villains I would have the following:

  • Heros: Thor (for TE), Flash (for Flex), Superman (for Split)

  • Villains: Thanos, Freak, Scar (hard to find some villain names that would be easily recognizable)

End Goal: In the end all I am looking for is a naming system that makes it easy for the 3 back and 4 back to figure out where to line up. With my current idea, the 4 back just has to listen for the first letter of the formation and he knows where to line up, always to the call side. The 2 back has to focus on the main 4 categories, base = weak side (opposite 4 back) in the backfield, load = strong side (same as 4 back) backfield, 2x2 = split out weak side (opposite 4 back), 3x1 = split out strong side (same as 4 back).

If you think this is a good idea and have some ideas for names, let me know! If you think there is an easier solution and I should move away from this idea, I am open to suggestions!

Thanks!


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Posted by: @coachgomm

have 4 different formation groups and then each group has 3 different sub formations. I am hoping to come up with an intuitive way of naming each formation so that the kids will be able to understand each formation quickly.

We use colors to designate if strength is to the Rt or lt.   Colors with an RRRRR sound = Right.  Colors with an LLLL sound to the left.

Being Wing-T the traditional alignment - puts the Y&WB (Strength) to the right with Green.  To the left with Black.  the X & HB align accordingly.

We want to put the HB to the Y&WB side to the right, that is Grey.   To the left is Gold.

We use Red and Blue in the usual Wing-T manner.

If we want to move the X over to the strong side (making things unbalanced)  that is PLUS.  if we want the X to the strong side and tight that's Pluse Nasty. 

To move a QT over to the Strong-side next to the ST that is Thunder.  To move the ST opposite the Y&WB = Lightning. 

Maybe something like this might work for you...???  

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Just remembering back to my playing days and how my HS coach used cue words for each position. If the word was not in the play call then you just lined up in the Base formation. We were a Wing-T-ish team, so that was our base formation. Right and Left.

HB cues:

Near moved him over to the TE side of the formation, still in the backfield.

R or L moved him into a wing position Right or Left.

Fullback Cues:

Up moved him into a wing position. 

Our base formation was with two WR's and no WB, so I can't recall if the "Up" moved him to the TE side or not.

I'm sure there were more cues, but those are the backfield ones that I instantly recall. 


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mahonz
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New system. Multiple formations. I guarantee you will have discoveries in season. 

So now your Load formation will eventually create the Loaded Potato formation. 😎

Multiple formations has HUGE value so Im with you on this.  But lots of tags that are willie nillie words is really tough on the kids to remember quickly and efficiently. Tagging using multiple formations with sub formations using words requires a very solid blueprint and smart kids. 

I had my Eureka moment with formations about 15 years ago when I discovered the Joe Gibbs numbering system for formations and motions. Unfortunately this website has gone thru too many updates the past 10 years that it now archives poorly. I cant find my Joe Gibbs thread that went into heavy detail with lots of Q&A.  

Using the Gibbs system I once out formationed the best DC I have ever faced and won the Championship. This was at the semi pro level so all adults but I have applied it to youth levels with tremendous success. 

So maybe go here and read this short thread. 

https://football.dumcoach.com/community/general-offense-discussion/give-me-a-tag-name/#post-90114

Let me know if this intrigues you. If so I will will post up an explanation on how it works and how to apply it to all of your base formations.

That will be long post so be sure and post up your formations. 

This post was modified 3 weeks ago 3 times by mahonz

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Posted by: @coachgomm
  • Current Idea: My current plan for naming each formation is to give each formation group a category and each sub formation a letter. For example, if the Base formation was Heroes and Load was Villains I would have the following:

  • Heros: Thor (for TE), Flash (for Flex), Superman (for Split)

  • Villains: Thanos, Freak, Scar (hard to find some villain names that would be easily recognizable)

End Goal: In the end all I am looking for is a naming system that makes it easy for the 3 back and 4 back to figure out where to line up. With my current idea, the 4 back just has to listen for the first letter of the formation and he knows where to line up, always to the call side. The 2 back has to focus on the main 4 categories, base = weak side (opposite 4 back) in the backfield, load = strong side (same as 4 back) backfield, 2x2 = split out weak side (opposite 4 back), 3x1 = split out strong side (same as 4 back).

If you think this is a good idea and have some ideas for names, let me know! If you think there is an easier solution and I should move away from this idea, I am open to suggestions!

Wow, I don't think I've ever been so lost in a post.

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mahonz
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Wow, I don't think I've ever been so lost in a post.

--Dave

If you want to run 10+ formations its super easy to get off into weeds when you get into the play calling blueprint. It can be a disaster. 

At the youth level this philosophy can only work if you are using no more than 3 blocking schemes....zone, pass pro, trap for example but you must create formations that marry up to your 3 schemes. 

Trap out of a Jumbo formation....out of a Pro formation....QB trap out of an Empty formation. Same play design....unique formation. 

Why do this? Better matchups. 

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Theme 

Marvel 

DC 

Disney

Star wars

Sub theme 

Heroes, villain's , other characters 

 

 Ide use numbers but some coaches like to talk more than others 

 

 

 

 

I can explain it to you, I can't understand if for you.


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