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Dimson
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Anyone have a beast play book. Looking to keep it super simple as we are going to most likely be without out best player/QB for this game. Or at least that is what we are planning on. Our HC finally wants to run beast(he came from a prgram that runs it well btu I am not sure if he actually ran it). Any help would be greatly appreciated it. 


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How do you block your power, sweep and counter (include backs' blocking responsibilities as well). Let's start there.

Lot's of coaches try to roll up a beast-looking formation thinking it's a magic bullet. My last opponent is a great example. I look at beast as a different formation for your regular offense. 

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Right now we are a block the closest guy to you team. I would like either use SAB/TKO blocking or double team up front. So I am open to suggestions but it may not be my call as I am not the HC. 


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Okay. TKO it is. Have you ever taught TKO?

Positions:

Short End: Can be an MPP-type player. You can sub in a good receiver if you want to pass to him.

Short Guard: Least effective offensive lineman

Center: Use your regular center

Long Guard through Power Tackle: Worst to best from inside out. So 2nd least effective offensive lineman at Long End. Best at Power Tackle. Power tackle needs to be quick as he has a lot of ground to cover in TKO.

Q - Your tailback/half back. Best runner. Also must learn all 3 sniffer responsibilities for when another back is running the ball.

Outside Sniffer - Must be a good blocker in space. Helps to have your speed guy here for counters or passes.

Middle Sniffer - FB type. Kicks out the end man on the LOS. (EMO)

Inside Sniffer - Also must be a good blocker in space.

 

Beast Blast: you can stack the sniffers or gap them so that outside sniffer is 1x1 outside the long end. Play around with it and use what works. Stacking is necessary if you part.

E     G     C     G     T     T     E

                            I     M      O

              Q

Short side line: Steps hard inside with near foot. No one gets through inside gap. Short end will want to block out on a 9 tech. Fix him.

C: 2 steps away from the play, inside foot first. He sets the wall. Make sure it is at least 60 degrees. The more vertical, the better.

LG to E: first step is with inside foot and SPRINT to your inside buddy's outside shoulder. That is your track. destroy anyone in your track. Help inside buddy move anyone in his track. NO ONE crosses your face to the inside. If a defender crosses your face to the outside, let him go and leave him for your outside buddy. DO NOT CHASE ANYONE!

Inside Sniffer: Replace Middle sniffer's feet, then climb and block the first 2nd level defender to the outside. Try to block him inside out, but take him where he wants to go.

Middle Sniffer: Kick out the first to show. If there is a guy head up on the long end, that is your block.

Outside Sniffer: Follow the long end, staying close to his hip and block the first backer (or other 2nd level defender) inside. Try to seal him inside, but take him where he wants to go.

Q: Aim for the giant space between your long end's butt and your middle sniffer's butt, then get vertical. 

ALL BACKS: Dead sprint. No negotiation, no discussion. Dead sprint to your block. If your block disappears, keep sprinting and look for work. No dancing or juking by the ball carrier. Insist on him running vertical to start, but sometimes the defense gives you the edge. 

Variations:

Part blocking: send 1 or 2 players outside to handle weird stuff on the edge. All backs run inside the part.

Part 1: Fan block (outside) your Long end. Only do this if your Power Tackle is uncovered.

Part 2: Fan block (outside) your Power Tackle and Long End. Only do this if your Long Tackle and Power Tackle are uncovered. (It happens, believe me)

Beast Counter: (since your team is a "block the guy nearest you" team, let's just stick with TKO. It will stop leakage. Run it when the back side EMO gets close to your Q on Power). Don't run it if they put 3, 4 or 5 guys on the short side to try and run down your power (it happens).

Line blocks the same as Power.

Backs are at a dead sprint. Non-negotiable.

Inside sniffer runs right down the LOS to the short side and kicks the first to show.

Middle sniffer follows inside sniffer and blocks the 2nd guy to show. If no one shows (it happens), he gets vertical and looks for work.

Outside sniffer follows the Middle Sniffer and takes the inside hand off from Q. Run to daylight. 

Q: Takes the snap and runs his Blast path, handing off to the Outside sniffer (inside handoff), then carrying out his fake.

 

Beast Sweep: (since your team is a "block the guy nearest you" team, let's just stick with TKO. It will stop leakage. Run it when the defense gives you the edge)

Sniffer backs run outside and seal the first, second and third defender on the edge, respectively.

Q: Takes the snap and sprints to daylight.

 

Beast Pass: (run it when CBs are making tackles)

O-line: block the guy nearest to you

Inside sniffer: run to the short side and block the first back side rusher

Outside sniffer: block the first long side edge rusher

Middle sniffer: Take 2 steps backward and look for leakage on the o-line

From Beast, we like to go for it all, so send your TE on a fade/go or a corner route. We only send 1 at a time.

 

Play calling:

Call out your sniffers' blocks by name and number (JIMMY! 45!), etc. until you get it dialed in.

Figure out how to call all your plays and tags from the sideline without the defense knowing what you're running. Troy is on here, so I can't give away details, but there are a hundred ways of doing it. Invent a simple code and use it. Helps if you let the players come up with their own code words. 

DM me if you want to chat. I will be available today from 3pm to 5pm Mountain, then from 7:30pm to whenever. 

This is the most I think I've ever written down on Beast.

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@gumby_in_co

Thank you very much. I forwarded this info to my HC and our other coach and hopefully we will do it word for word. I am not holding my breath though, lol. 


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@dimson

Yeah, let me know how it goes. What we are doing in Beast right now is the result of 15 seasons' worth of experimenting, fine tuning and thousands of reps. 

Just a question, but I assume your line is "block the guy closest to you". What are the backs doing?

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Dimson and Gumby, are you sure switching to a track blocking scheme is a good idea for just one game with just a few days to practice it?  "Block the guy closest to you" may sound like nothing, but it means the kids are used to finding a person who they can see before the ball is snapped to block.  Switching from that to a scheme where they can't be sure who they'll be blocking until the players are moving seems like more to get used to than any number of other schemes I could think of installing.

There are a lot of things I'd favor over what we do, but if asked by my HC whether to put it in now I'd say, no, not worth it this far down the road and with so little to go.


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Dimson and Gumby, are you sure switching to a track blocking scheme is a good idea for just one game with just a few days to practice it? 

No, but I don't know how to run beast (or anything for that matter) with "block the guy closest to you".

"Block the guy closest to you" may sound like nothing, but it means the kids are used to finding a person who they can see before the ball is snapped to block.  Switching from that to a scheme where they can't be sure who they'll be blocking until the players are moving seems like more to get used to than any number of other schemes I could think of installing.

I installed TKO in about 25 minutes with a group of kids who were used to Gap on Backer in mega splits. They took to it like ducks to water. But . . . I've run and taught TKO a lot.

There are a lot of things I'd favor over what we do, but if asked by my HC whether to put it in now I'd say, no, not worth it this far down the road and with so little to go.

Best player out . . . assuming they can't run their normal offense without that kid . . . why not Beast? I get your points though.

 

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@dimson

Yeah, let me know how it goes. What we are doing in Beast right now is the result of 15 seasons' worth of experimenting, fine tuning and thousands of reps. 

Just a question, but I assume your line is "block the guy closest to you". What are the backs doing?

Our backs block the guy closest to them based on formation, lol. Our best play by far has been QB bootleg. That and a pass play are the only plays we have scored on. Our QB, aka best player by far, is responsible for every TD we have had this year by either passing or throwing. He is a great player but he is wearing down. He has asthma and the cold weather is putting a hurting on him. No idea if he will be able to finish a game. He got injured in the first quarter last game and we couldn't even get a first down after that, much less a touch down. So we need to do something that doesn't rely on him, so we are finally going to Beast, at least that is my hope. That is what I was told but I have my doubts we can run it properly. I will definitely let you know how it goes. 


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Right now we are a block the closest guy to you team. 

That's not a scheme. ? 

--Dave

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Posted by: @gumby_in_co
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Dimson and Gumby, are you sure switching to a track blocking scheme is a good idea for just one game with just a few days to practice it? 

No, but I don't know how to run beast (or anything for that matter) with "block the guy closest to you".

"Block the guy closest to you" may sound like nothing, but it means the kids are used to finding a person who they can see before the ball is snapped to block.  Switching from that to a scheme where they can't be sure who they'll be blocking until the players are moving seems like more to get used to than any number of other schemes I could think of installing.

I installed TKO in about 25 minutes with a group of kids who were used to Gap on Backer in mega splits. They took to it like ducks to water. But . . . I've run and taught TKO a lot.

There are a lot of things I'd favor over what we do, but if asked by my HC whether to put it in now I'd say, no, not worth it this far down the road and with so little to go.

Best player out . . . assuming they can't run their normal offense without that kid . . . why not Beast? I get your points though.

Installing beast could be a good idea, but with a blocking scheme that's conceptually closer to "block the guy closest to you" than any kind of track blocking taught by someone who hasn't taught it a lot.  I'm thinking of some other scheme that would allow them to see at the snap who they were going to block -- a count or priority-list ("initialism") rule.

I'm thinking of a part-or-trap scheme.  MOMA by everyone on the line except for an OL who has "man on" at the POA.  If there's no man on at the POA, it parts the seas.  If there's a man on there, that OL rips or swims past him to 2nd level, and the farthest-away blocking back whams him from the side when he penetrates.  The blocking backs closest to the POA go thru the hole and cross-block at the 2nd level.

The only way this wouldn't work is against a DL who's too slow to penetrate even slightly.


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Posted by: @dimson

Anyone have a beast play book. Looking to keep it super simple as we are going to most likely be without out best player/QB for this game. Or at least that is what we are planning on. Our HC finally wants to run beast(he came from a prgram that runs it well btu I am not sure if he actually ran it). Any help would be greatly appreciated it. 

I have this from Mountjoy archives. This helped me a lot the first time we tried this long time ago.  We mainly used yale 1 (blast) , buck, and trap.  We had our qb do a spin type of mesh not knowing at the time what "spinner" was.  Anywho this should help you get started .  

We used a traditional gap scheme for blocking.  Our blast play I believe we went big on big with the line blocking first level always and only with rba going second level.

 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xcx5axHjwDOn_aU0p7SeCpUkZnZxxDPC/edit?usp=drivesdk&ouid=102509019119592708146&rtpof=true&sd=true

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@dimson

Yeah, let me know how it goes. What we are doing in Beast right now is the result of 15 seasons' worth of experimenting, fine tuning and thousands of reps. 

Just a question, but I assume your line is "block the guy closest to you". What are the backs doing?

Our backs block the guy closest to them based on formation, lol. Our best play by far has been QB bootleg. That and a pass play are the only plays we have scored on. Our QB, aka best player by far, is responsible for every TD we have had this year by either passing or throwing. He is a great player but he is wearing down. He has asthma and the cold weather is putting a hurting on him. No idea if he will be able to finish a game. He got injured in the first quarter last game and we couldn't even get a first down after that, much less a touch down. So we need to do something that doesn't rely on him, so we are finally going to Beast, at least that is my hope. That is what I was told but I have my doubts we can run it properly. I will definitely let you know how it goes. 

In that case why beast rather than short punt formation?  It would be the same as beast except balanced (both line and backfield), so you only have to install half as many plays -- same ones left and right from the same formation -- to attack both sides equally.


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Right now we are a block the closest guy to you team. 

That's not a scheme. ? 

--Dave

I know. Unfortunately we are a plays team and not a scheme team. I am trying but it is hard when I am not the HC or the OC. I make suggestions on how to improve or offense but they either get ignored or I get told we are going to do what I suggest but in the game it never happens. Or it is a bastardized version of what I show him. Quite frankly, without our QB, we don't have any points this year. It is frustrating not being able to fix things. We are young and only have 14-15 kids a game but our offense should be putting up more than 6-12 points a game. 


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@dimson

I've been there. My son was that kid in 2nd and 3rd grade. ~40-50 carries per game and he would break 1 or 2 for a long TD. 3 if we were very lucky. When he didn't score, he was gang tackled for a loss.

Unfortunately, it won't matter what you suggest, now will it matter what your HC and OC decide to run. I got the hell out of there and took my son with me. Since then, I've been extremely picky about with whom I coach. I have that luxury, though. Many don't. Sad.

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