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Just a FWIW thing I’ve noticed…

At my level (3-4th gr) we’ve found that if tighten down (Double Tight, no WR) the defense contracts with us leaving more grass out on the perimeter w/out any defenders.   When we widen out (esp when we run twins and trips) the defense widens out with us and puts more defenders out on the perimeter.

Again, this is at our level, we generally find that by tightening down our formation, and contracting the defense by doing so, we have more success attacking the perimeter.    When we widen out and pull the defense wide with us, we have more success inside. 

Maybe this is old news to most coaches, but I find it interesting b/c our competition tends to do the opposite.

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Posted by: @coyote

Maybe this is old news to most coaches, but I find it interesting b/c our competition tends to do the opposite.

So are you saying that your competition tends to stay wide when you are in a tight formation and tight when you are in a wide formation?

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Here's a very real observation.  One of our major coaching points in the Killer Bee is to stagger the depth of the LBs/Safeties. It's crucial so that 2nd level defenders and run laterally or at an angle without running into teammates. 

While scouting, I watched a very good team beat up on a not so good team. The not so good team's only score was on a sweep. The good team had their stud at MLB. He was pursuing hard to the ball and tripped over his CB.

So I think there is validity in what you are saying.

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What I tend to see is, a couple of corners out wide regardless of what formation I’m in. So double tight or a single WR out wide, and I’m still looking at a corner out there. And typically their corner is one of their worst players, so I have to be careful putting a good player out there or I wasted a player if I’m just doing it to run inside  

So I don’t really decompress the interior of the defense until I put 2 guys out wide, which is something I’ve considered doing more this year, depending on how much influence I have on play calling, but that’s a different topic. 

I’d love to hear from anyone with something they like to do to formation an advantage. We are a base I formation team. Thanks


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So are you saying that your competition tends to stay wide when you are in a tight formation and tight when you are in a wide formation?

Sorry if I wasn't clear....   Offensively, our opposition tends to widen their formation when they run outside...  to 'spread the defense'.   They tend to go w/ tighter formations when want to run inside.   

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I’d love to hear from anyone with something they like to do to formation an advantage. We are a base I formation team

A simple adjustment we find effective for our age group... 

We will occasionally set our spit-end over wide to the TE & Wing Back side.  (The TE becomes ineligible) the CB will usually widen out with him.  Most of the time the Defense doesn't catch it, leaving a DB hanging on the opposite side of the field covering grass.  This allows us to get an extra man over (unbalanced) to the play side.   Esp effective when we run our BuckShort (off-tackle power play).    Their perimeter guy is widened out, if they don't catch it (they rarely do) we have them outnumbered on that side of the ball at the snap, (and then we bring both OG's - PSG= Kick Out; BSG = turn up in hole). 

If they start shifting a DB over, we find the backside flat is usually wide open, and run a little bubble route to the HB to the backside of the formation.  And we find running counters & Bucksweep (WB carrying) to the backside effective. 

Umm.... why does that 6 ft tall 9 yr old have a goatee...?


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