Greetings Coaches
Glad to see the forum up and running again.
Talking with the new league president, there are some rule changes coming. Nothing earth-shattering, but allowing walk-up A-gap blitzing (which had been taken out by league rules back in the '80's) is likely coming back.
So, I'm wondering if the getting the ball to depth faster via gun is worth losing the deception we have with being under center. With our wing-T offense, the ball disappears for a few steps (with good fakes even more) and causes confusion in the Defense - esp. with the LBs. Is getting the ball to depth faster worth losing that?
Your thoughts?
Umm.... why does that 6 ft tall 9 yr old have a goatee...?
I have always preferred UC to Gun in the DW, regardless of what the defense was doing. Don't care about getting depth; I run as shallow of a Toss as can be run.
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So, I'm wondering if the getting the ball to depth faster via gun is worth losing the deception we have with being under center. With our wing-T offense, the ball disappears for a few steps (with good fakes even more) and causes confusion in the Defense - esp. with the LBs. Is getting the ball to depth faster worth losing that?
Well, what are you doing with that depth?
I've never been a fan of shotgun wing T. If you're going to snap the ball back there, it should be in a system built for that, rather than adapted from one that makes more sense with a hand-to-hands snap.
Well, what are you doing with that depth?
I probably should have said 'mesh' instead of 'depth'.... getting the ball to where the hand-off to the HB / WB's path.
When we play out of league, we occasionally have problems with A-gap blitzes. Usually, due to QB getting off the mid-line and forcing the TB to wide his angle, and not having a good approach to pick up that A-gap blitzer. We coach the dickens out of staying on (actually slighty past) the mid-line, but still have some issues from time to time.
I wondering tho, if there's a better way.... not to dumb down, but rather to be more efficient.
Is gaining a step in gun, worth the loss of deception? We don't rely much on deception (we're considered to be pretty smash-mouth, overall), but when we need it, its usually there, and pays off big.
Umm.... why does that 6 ft tall 9 yr old have a goatee...?
Well, what are you doing with that depth?
I probably should have said 'mesh' instead of 'depth'.... getting the ball to where the hand-off to the HB / WB's path. I guess it'd be more like 'pistol' that deep shot-gun.
When we play out of league, we occasionally have problems with A-gap blitzes. Usually, due to QB getting off the mid-line and forcing the TB to wide his angle, and not having a good approach to pick up that A-gap blitzer. We coach the dickens out of staying on (actually slighty past) the mid-line, but still have some issues from time to time.
I wondering tho, if there's a better way.... not to dumb down, but rather to be more efficient.
Is gaining a step in gun, worth the loss of deception? We don't rely much on deception (we're considered to be pretty smash-mouth, overall), but when we need it, its usually there, and pays off big.
Umm.... why does that 6 ft tall 9 yr old have a goatee...?
Well, what are you doing with that depth?
I probably should have said 'mesh' instead of 'depth'.... getting the ball to where the hand-off to the HB / WB's path.
Do you actually mesh sooner? Are the HB and WB playing closer to make that possible? Because what's the point of getting the QB to the mesh point earlier if he has to wait for them to get there?
In single wing the mesh is earlier than in wing T, but that's because the backs do indeed line up or motion pre-snap closer to each other.
Greetings Coaches
Glad to see the forum up and running again.
Talking with the new league president, there are some rule changes coming. Nothing earth-shattering, but allowing walk-up A-gap blitzing (which had been taken out by league rules back in the '80's) is likely coming back.
So, I'm wondering if the getting the ball to depth faster via gun is worth losing the deception we have with being under center. With our wing-T offense, the ball disappears for a few steps (with good fakes even more) and causes confusion in the Defense - esp. with the LBs. Is getting the ball to depth faster worth losing that?
Your thoughts?
Well you can definitely go under center against A gap blitzers in the wing T. Even if they've got 4 people B gap to B gap.
Greetings Coaches
Glad to see the forum up and running again.
Talking with the new league president, there are some rule changes coming. Nothing earth-shattering, but allowing walk-up A-gap blitzing (which had been taken out by league rules back in the '80's) is likely coming back.
So, I'm wondering if the getting the ball to depth faster via gun is worth losing the deception we have with being under center. With our wing-T offense, the ball disappears for a few steps (with good fakes even more) and causes confusion in the Defense - esp. with the LBs. Is getting the ball to depth faster worth losing that?
Your thoughts?
Well you can definitely go under center against A gap blitzers in the wing T. Even if they've got 4 people B gap to B gap.
Greetings Coaches
Glad to see the forum up and running again.
Talking with the new league president, there are some rule changes coming. Nothing earth-shattering, but allowing walk-up A-gap blitzing (which had been taken out by league rules back in the '80's) is likely coming back.
So, I'm wondering if the getting the ball to depth faster via gun is worth losing the deception we have with being under center. With our wing-T offense, the ball disappears for a few steps (with good fakes even more) and causes confusion in the Defense - esp. with the LBs. Is getting the ball to depth faster worth losing that?
Your thoughts?
About 7 or 8 years ago a coach on here took Auburns Gun Wing T and broke it down for youth into a nice playbook. I decided to give it a try during our Spring Football season.
It was OK. Deception was lost but it was easier to mesh with 3 players so there was that but I saw no real advantage going gun.
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Do you actually mesh sooner?
We normally align w/ the HB splitting the outside foot of the OT in front of him (unless in Red/Blue). The WB is in the normal 1x1 from the Y.
We've usually had to make some minor adjustments due to the speed of the individual kids to get the timing. We'd likely have to move the HB in a step, we'd look to put the WB in rocket motion as well.
Well you can definitely go under center against A gap blitzers in the wing T.
We can and we have, we just don't see it in league, so it takes some adjustment time to get our kids used to it.
Umm.... why does that 6 ft tall 9 yr old have a goatee...?
Deception was lost but it was easier to mesh with 3 players so there was that but I saw no real advantage going gun.
This is what I'm wondering about... is what we may lose worth whatever we may gain?
Umm.... why does that 6 ft tall 9 yr old have a goatee...?
Deception was lost but it was easier to mesh with 3 players so there was that but I saw no real advantage going gun.
This is what I'm wondering about... is what we may lose worth whatever we may gain?
I would vote no.
What is beautiful, lives forever.
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