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Coach Kyle
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My organization would like to build off of the jet sweep as a fundamental play. My age group is going to be 8/9 year olds. Any advice on making this work at this level? I think we're going to go shotgun.

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Coaches,

 

My organization would like to build off of the jet sweep as a fundamental play. My age group is going to be 8/9 year olds. Any advice on making this work at this level? I think we're going to go shotgun.

Going shotgun handicaps the speed and deception of jet.  Do you have any choice in that matter?

You've probably seen what I've had to say, which is that if you're willing to limit the jet to one direction, the best compromise in ease and deception is to have the QB taking the snap hand-to-hands while already facing the jet runner as he's coming.


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In our little flex experiment, our jet sweep worked best when we had the QB run in the direction of the sweep back. It wasn't jet, though. We simply ran it to a WB who was 1x1 off the TE or ghost TE. We had the WB run parallel to the LOS and it was up to the QB to get the ball to him. This way, it was technically a reverse. "Greedy" was a tag that told the QB to keep it. Really effective.

As far as blocking, Flex was weird because the fronts were so predictable. The key was "butt to the ball". In tackle, if we were to run it, we'd probably go with our usual reach scheme, but again, "butt to the ball" for any blockers.

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My organization would like to build off of the jet sweep as a fundamental play. My age group is going to be 8/9 year olds. Any advice on making this work at this level? I think we're going to go shotgun.

Out of what offense?  Formation?  Do you use a Tight End?  Do you have a Fullback?  2x2?  3x1?

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Coaches,

 

My organization would like to build off of the jet sweep as a fundamental play. My age group is going to be 8/9 year olds. Any advice on making this work at this level? I think we're going to go shotgun.

Going shotgun handicaps the speed and deception of jet.  Do you have any choice in that matter?

You've probably seen what I've had to say, which is that if you're willing to limit the jet to one direction, the best compromise in ease and deception is to have the QB taking the snap hand-to-hands while already facing the jet runner as he's coming.

I think our organization would actually like me to be under center. I like the simplicity of the rest of the offense when you're in shotgun. Just pull and run. Plus with 8/9 year olds the waggle isn't such a great play.

I've been having a hell of a time finding a youth team online that runs the jet/trap/waggle from under center. I'm open to it for sure, but I need to see it on grass, not just paper.

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My organization would like to build off of the jet sweep as a fundamental play. My age group is going to be 8/9 year olds. Any advice on making this work at this level? I think we're going to go shotgun.

Out of what offense?  Formation?  Do you use a Tight End?  Do you have a Fullback?  2x2?  3x1?

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Recommended formations by the HS staff looked like a flexbone formation. They moved the wideouts around, and sometimes they had a 3x1 look. I'm thinking mimicking them might prove to be a bad idea if we can't throw to the wideouts, so I'm thinking about going shotgun double wing or shotgun flexbone with tight wide outs... maybe 1 to 3 yards.

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This sounds a lot like what I'm trying to achieve. Do you have any film?

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This sounds a lot like what I'm trying to achieve. Do you have any film?

Only flex film. Probably not worth watching.

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@gumby_in_co anything helps.

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Okay. I'll put together some clips. PM me your email address. All of our film is on watchgamefilm.com and if you don't already have an account, there's a way to send you a link to a zip file.

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Plus with 8/9 year olds the waggle isn't such a great play.

Hi Coach, 

I'm a wing t guy coaching 8 & 9 yr olds and find the waggle is a great play.   Most seasons, most of our passing is off the waggle, and with one exception, our QB's have been OK to great when running on the waggle.   [That one exception, the kid seemed to have a magnate in his britches and the Defemders were made of iron, seems like he would run right into a Defender every time, including once when our OG had knocked the kid down and our qb tripped over the defender laying on the ground]  We tell our QB grass is green, and green means go, so if we call the pass, but he has grass in front of him to take off.  We'll take 8 yds every time.  When we've had qb's who were talented runners, it just hasn't been fair. 

Waggle passing off Belly action tends to be very effective since folk tend to associate it with sweeps.  

Depending on our OG talent, we bring one and sometimes both guards with the QB on waggle to block the edge.  But the main thing is to have the QB freeze for a moment on faking the sweep, to 'hand off with his eyes', and to watch the sweeping back for 2 steps and sway his body with the sweeper as he fakes the hand off.  We preach that one good fake = two good blocks.  the better the QB fakes, the better the play works.  

Hope this helps, 

 

 

 

Umm.... why does that 6 ft tall 9 yr old have a goatee...?


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Posted by: @coach-kyle

Coaches,

 

My organization would like to build off of the jet sweep as a fundamental play. My age group is going to be 8/9 year olds. Any advice on making this work at this level? I think we're going to go shotgun.

At the 8U level, I haven't run the Jet Sweep. I was always worried about the timing. Like wedge, the motion needs to be practiced for a 10-15 minutes each day to get it exactly right. Unfortunately, practices were only 90 minutes, so I chose to spend time on other things.

However, here is what my 8U teams did last year that worked like a Jet Sweep, and produced some big plays for us.

1. (Ravens) We lined up in the Double Tight Double Wing. No motion. I had the QB reverse out (so for 28 Sweep, he'd open right and spin around) and give the ball to the Wingback who took the handoff while running at full speed. Since this hits really quick, I had all of my offensive line step with their right foot and stay on a 45 degree track until they hit a defender, with the FB as the lead blocker. You can also split the FB out wide to pull the corner out. After our FB demolished the corner a few times, teams quit moving him out and he had to crack.

2. (Vikings) We lined up in a Shotgun Double Wing. QB is 3 yards deep. No motion. The QB reverses out and gives to the WB coming around. Playside OL blocks down, Backside OL "seal and wheel", and both guards pull (teach them to smash the first person they see). This wasn't as explosive as what the Ravens did, but when teams tried to take away 12/13 Blast (the Vikings' bread and butter), we could make them pay.

I'm not sure if it's what you're looking for, but these plays helped both of my teams last year. 

Have a great season!!

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Yeah, I think this is what we're going to do. They gave me hudl film of last year. They seem to do pretty well with the jet so long as they could get the edge, and they didn't have a complementary play that punished teams that wouldn't give up the edge. I am thinking about motioning, but I'm going to make it more of a mouse motion just to draw the eye.

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they didn't have a complementary play that punished teams that wouldn't give up the edge. 

If they didn't have a counter, then what was their adjustment?

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@coach-kyle

 

We ran some jet, but it’s never been a staple, despite having good backs. We see a lot of 5-3 fronts and those stand up DEs box the edge pretty aggressively and stop a lot of Jets because they jump out in front of the motion man. Definitely need a counter, even a QB or FB wedge seem to work. 

We ran waggle with 8/9 two years ago as our primary pass play. The QB was a lefty and he ran the boot action back to the left really well. This past season the QB couldn’t seem to get it down and we barely called it. If you have a QB with good feet, I’d give it a look. 


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