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CoachDP
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October 19, 2018 9:25 am  

We have a girl who starts at Defensive Tackle.  We treat her the same.  But you have to have an awareness of how and where you place hands when you are coaching her in technique.

--Dave

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The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

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Bob Goodman
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October 19, 2018 9:48 am  

We have a girl who starts at Defensive Tackle.  We treat her the same.  But you have to have an awareness of how and where you place hands when you are coaching her in technique.

Have you known parents to complain if you innocently erred in demo-ing that?

Once I picked a boy up under both arms to move him like a chess piece into the position I wanted when he didn't put his feet in the right place.  Afterward Coach Tim, who was also a parent, cautioned me that Hispanic parents in particular might be offended if their child, regardless of sex, were moved by an adult like that.


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CoachDP
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October 19, 2018 9:53 am  

Have you known parents to complain if you innocently erred in demo-ing that?

--No.  But I coach "on-alert" anyway.  I just try not to make a mistake like that.

Once I picked a boy up under both arms to move him like a chess piece into the position I wanted when he didn't put his feet in the right place.  Afterward Coach Tim, who was also a parent, cautioned me that Hispanic parents in particular might be offended if their child, regardless of sex, were moved by an adult like that.

--Which is why we have 2 rules in our coaches contract about putting our hands on players.  It is something I am extremely sensitive to.  (Thus, the contract.)

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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CoachDP
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October 19, 2018 9:54 am  

Afterward Coach Tim, who was also a parent, cautioned me that Hispanic parents in particular might be offended if their child, regardless of sex, were moved by an adult like that.

Why "Hispanic parents, in particular?"

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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Bob Goodman
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October 19, 2018 9:57 am  

Why "Hispanic parents, in particular?"

I don't know, but Tim was a black Hispanic & evinced a special familiarity w Hispanic culture about stuff like that.  At least he said he thought it was likelier to be a sore point w Hispanics than others.


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CoachDP
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October 19, 2018 10:03 am  

I don't know, but Tim was a black Hispanic & evinced a special familiarity w Hispanic culture about stuff like that.  At least he said he thought it was likelier to be a sore point w Hispanics than others.

Well, I just meant that I don't want you picking up my son in the air either, am I'm not black or Hispanic.  I don't think it's a cultural-thing; I think it's a common sense-thing.

I'll add that to my coaches contract if you ever decide to coach with me:

"Article B: Bob is not to pick up players into the air and move them about like a chess piece."

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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October 19, 2018 10:26 am  

Well, I just meant that I don't want you picking up my son in the air either, am I'm not black or Hispanic.  I don't think it's a cultural-thing; I think it's a common sense-thing.

I'll add that to my coaches contract if you ever decide to coach with me:

"Article B: Bob is not to pick up players into the air and move them about like a chess piece."

--Dave

What about like a Stratego piece?

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October 19, 2018 10:48 am  

We had a young lady join our Varsity team this year. She was by far our best Center. HC decided that she can't play that position after hearing a raucous from parents (1 kid was pulled from the team after he told his parents that in board drills he had to punch her in the boobs). We let parents know that they or preferably their player could speak to us coaches privately if they were uncomfortable with any position they were put in regarding contact and we would do our best to alleviate the concern but we absolutely would not remove the lady from the team.

She ended up quitting when she didnt win the role of kicker even though she would've been the starting Guard and played a role on DLine.

On a side note whenever we stack our LBs on my D I always have them tap and I stress the close proximity that makes it so efficient. They get uncomfortable and I just start cracking jokes.
"Everyone wants to be a QB until it's time to get your hands dirty"
"get friendly"
"nuts to butts ladies, get in tight"
"Make yourself a friend"
"if your linemen darts while you look down, you better be able to see the bubbles"

The more awkward I make the joke the faster they seem to get over it.


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CoachHouston
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October 19, 2018 12:16 pm  

I've been struggling with this in my head recently as my daughter has expressed interest in playing....I did not even get to QB/C issue, my first thought is people teach hand blocking around here, and that means drills where people put their hands on her chest....

As a coach (a really new coach) I find it easy to say whoever plays we treat them the same....as a Dad I'm not so sure.


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October 19, 2018 12:18 pm  

I've been struggling with this in my head recently as my daughter has expressed interest in playing....I did not even get to QB/C issue, my first thought is people teach hand blocking around here, and that means drills where people put their hands on her chest....

As a coach (a really new coach) I find it easy to say whoever plays we treat them the same....as a Dad I'm not so sure.

Is she comfortable with the idea? Would you care if it was a girl putting their hands on her chest?


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October 19, 2018 12:35 pm  

I had a girl play center in a 9 YO division. She was also my MLB. She was tough.

I had one parent question me about the center thing, to which I told him he was a little sick to think that way. Her parents were completely OK and didn't want her treated any differently.
When the parent that questioned the hands under center thing asked me about it I asked him if he wanted her to play cheerleader as most likely the hands of the male cheerleaders would be in the same locations when she was elevated,  and no one has a problem with that.
He shut up

2 Things my offense will always have is a Wing and a Wedge


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CoachHouston
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October 19, 2018 5:52 pm  

Is she comfortable with the idea? Would you care if it was a girl putting their hands on her chest?

I've not discussed it with her yet....I'd be uncomfortable with ANYONE putting their hands on her chest.


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Bob Goodman
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October 20, 2018 12:42 pm  

What about like a Stratego piece?

Then if I hit one of yours with him, do I get to turn him around & see the number on the front of his shirt?


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Bob Goodman
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October 20, 2018 12:55 pm  

We had a young lady join our Varsity team this year. She was by far our best Center. HC decided that she can't play that position after hearing a raucous from parents (1 kid was pulled from the team after he told his parents that in board drills he had to punch her in the boobs). We let parents know that they or preferably their player could speak to us coaches privately if they were uncomfortable with any position they were put in regarding contact and we would do our best to alleviate the concern but we absolutely would not remove the lady from the team.

Whew...I thought they were asking her to get a double mastectomy!

I think I already wrote in a thread about friends here whose daughter is now their son.  Supposedly.  They're retconning* life to make it that Samantha was always Samuel.

Maybe they've got a point.  If society won't let a girl play tackle football w their boys, maybe the girl has to "be" a boy to do certain things.  Lower the river instead of raising the bridge, huh?

Get over it, society!  What's the dif whether you hands-block a fat boy's boobs or a girl's?

* "Retcon": retroactive continuity.  Done in comic books to change hx when they want to pretend something (which is fictional anyway) was always a certain way instead of a contradictory way.


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Dimson
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October 20, 2018 2:53 pm  

I've not discussed it with her yet....I'd be uncomfortable with ANYONE putting their hands on her chest.

Then it's really not a girl playing with boys issue. It's a her playing football thing. For the record, we played against a girl today and she whipped our boys butts. The boys couldn't believe she was a girl. She was that good. Doesn't hurt she is the coaches kid either.


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