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Dusty Ol Fart
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May 23, 2019 9:27 am  

An NCAA Division III powerhouse is set to be booted from the conference it helped found with six other schools in 1920 for being too successful in athletics.

The Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (MIAC) decided Wednesday to oust the University of St. Thomas in St. Paul, citing athletic parity. The Tommies will be “involuntarily removed” in two years.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/st-thomas-ncaa-conference-powerhouse-booted-miac

Its not just Junior and High School ball .    Cant have Parity when one team wins all the time SO....We force Parity.

Ignorant! 

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Dimson
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May 23, 2019 9:30 am  

An NCAA Division III powerhouse is set to be booted from the conference it helped found with six other schools in 1920 for being too successful in athletics.

The Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (MIAC) decided Wednesday to oust the University of St. Thomas in St. Paul, citing athletic parity. The Tommies will be “involuntarily removed” in two years.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/st-thomas-ncaa-conference-powerhouse-booted-miac

Its not just Junior and High School ball .    Cant have Parity when one team wins all the time SO....We force Parity.

Ignorant!

Why don't the other teams just get better?


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CoachDP
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May 23, 2019 10:43 am  

Why don't the other teams just get better?

Because coaches would rather rather whine, complain and cry about the competition.  It’s what they do.

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Coach E
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May 28, 2019 6:32 am  

This is my alma mater. From what I understand, St. John's was the only school in the MIAC to vote against this nonsense, probably because they know they'll be next. Their widespread winning seasons has come about since 2000, but really started with the appointment of Steve Fritz as the AD in 1992. It's been amazing what he had accomplished here (he retired last year). From his bio:

In the Learfield Division III Directors Cup all-sport compettion, the Tommies have placed in the top 10 percent (top 40) all 21 years since the format was created. That includes top-15 national finishes in eight of the last nine years.

In Fritz’ first 25 seasons, Tommie teams won seven national championships in four different sports; had nine NCAA runner-up placings; and had a top-five national team finish in 16 of their 22 sports.

In that same span on the conference scene, St. Thomas has won the men’s and women’s all-sport championship 35 of a possible 50 times, including sweeping both genders in each of the last nine seasons. The Tommie women have won 111 of a possible 276 regular-season MIAC titles, while the men have claimed 108 of 276.

In 31 years as men’s basketball head coach, Fritz' teams had only one losing season and compiled a 594-246 won-loss record (.707 win%). Fritz guided the 2010-11 Tommies to the NCAA Division III championship in a field of 403 teams -- a first for MIAC men's basketball. En route to its 30-3 finish, UST beat four top-seven ranked teams in the last nine days of the season, capped by its Division III championship-record 24-point victory over Wooster (Ohio) in the national finals.

The other presidents and ADs stated that the MIAC would cease to exist if St. Thomas stayed in the conference. Let's see what happens to them now that St. Thomas is kicked out.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.- Marcus Aurelius


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SingleWingGoombah
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May 28, 2019 7:42 am  

I think this is the right thing to do.  St Thomas does not belong in this conference.  They are double the size of the next highest enrollment.  They are larger than a lot of D2 schools.  St Thomas should have grown a pair and sought better competition before it came to this.


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CoachCalande
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May 28, 2019 9:42 am  

I think this is the right thing to do.  St Thomas does not belong in this conference.  They are double the size of the next highest enrollment.  They are larger than a lot of D2 schools.  St Thomas should have grown a pair and sought better competition before it came to this.

Mismatches don’t prove a thing.

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SingleWingGoombah
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May 28, 2019 10:07 am  

Mismatches don’t prove a thing.

Explain


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CoachCalande
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May 28, 2019 12:26 pm  

Explain

We see teams pile up 10-1 , 11-0 , 10-0 seasons....playing smaller schools...then get blown out playing in their class in the playoffs...

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SingleWingGoombah
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May 29, 2019 7:20 am  

We see teams pile up 10-1 , 11-0 , 10-0 seasons....playing smaller schools...then get blown out playing in their class in the playoffs...

So it sounds like mismatches proved a lot there.


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J. Potter (seabass)
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May 29, 2019 8:53 am  

Some times the best team in the league leaving the league isn't a good thing. Nobody in the WCC has a prayer of unseating Gonzaga in men's basketball. If GU left the WCC...millions of dollars would evaporate over night.


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SingleWingGoombah
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May 29, 2019 11:23 am  

Some times the best team in the league leaving the league isn't a good thing. Nobody in the WCC has a prayer of unseating Gonzaga in men's basketball. If GU left the WCC...millions of dollars would evaporate over night.

Bit of apples to oranges comparing D1 to D3.  There are schools in the WCC smaller than St Thomas, by enrollment. 


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CoachDoc
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May 29, 2019 12:21 pm  

That is the point of classes is to keep teams of similar sizes together.  In HS, there is a reclassification every few years, while in College, these issues often don't show up until a school dominates.  I don't know the rules for D3, but St. Thomas has around 6.2K undergraduates, and the next biggest school is St. Catherine's University at 3.2K, nearly twice as high.  The smallest school has around 1.6K undergraduate students.  From that standpoint, I don't think they fit.


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SingleWingGoombah
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May 30, 2019 5:29 am  

And there are exceptions to the rule, but larger schools at the D3 level are more likely to have more money, which means nicer facilities, which is a draw, especially since D3 is "non-athletic scholarship"


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