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davecisar
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July 19, 2017 11:37 am  

The year we ran the A-11....350 pass attempts with a very high completion percentage. Yes...350 pass attempts in one youth season. My former DE played QB that year so I know it can be done if you have "that guy". He was a rookie QB and crushed it.

he didnt crush it very much- you lost every game  ;D

However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.Winston Churchill


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mahonz
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July 19, 2017 11:41 am  

he didnt crush it very much- you lost every game  ;D

We lost every game 48-42 dang nab it !

That team could not play Defense. Maybe because I stole the DE to play QB.

Crap...now it all makes sense.  >:(

What is beautiful, lives forever.


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gumby_in_co
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July 19, 2017 11:52 am  

For Xman (our guy), first of all, his arm/wrist strength was a HUGE improvement this Spring. That is a start and not an insignificant one. He's been consistently overthrowing fades and post/corners. That consistency is a marked improvement.

For footwork, I teach a 3 step throw:
Stop: stomp the back foot on the ground, all 7 cleats down and perpendicular to the flight path.
Pop: lightly place the front heel 6" (ask for 6", get 12") in front of the rear heel, toe pointed at your target. 2/3 of weigh on rear foot.
Throw: Shift the weight to the front foot as you point your belly button to your target. Back foot follows the throwing arm, stepping all the way through, ending up with throwing arm foot forward, pointing to your target.

I also go through putting the ball on the shelf, elbow at 90%, upper arm parallel to the ground, forearm vertical, dinosaur egg, poke the zombie, flip off the lights and follow through with middle finger pointed at the target, thumb pointing down.

When we work on this for 15 minutes, he's darn good. As soon as I turn him loose, it's like he never met me. Literally 30 seconds later. Hearing that, you might be tempted to think this is an un-coachable, selfish kid. Negative. One of the finest young men I've ever coached in any sport. Absolute joy to be around.

It's time one of our other AC's starts earning their paycheck. They will learn the mechanics and watch Xman's feet while I coach the o-line and get prepared to call the plays on game day. Something about delegating?

When in doot . . . glass and oot.


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mahonz
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July 19, 2017 12:03 pm  

Something about delegating?

Here is a thought

..............Jaxson.......................Godzilla....Huddle...Fish...Marcus....Aaron....Chris
.........................................................................Moll.......................................Pablo
..............................X Man
.......................................................................Jayden

What is beautiful, lives forever.


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MHcoach
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July 19, 2017 12:15 pm  

L

First I am a big believer in a Long 3 & a Short 3. I teach both. Next, just by your description I think you are limiting hip rotation. This is something I would actually have to see. I also no long teach Stop. We use a little loser set than the all cleats in the ground.

Some college coaches are teaching Toe tap with the front foot, personally I am not a fan. The do a Captain Morgan drill which is funny to watch.

Next, from the Gun you need Catch, Cock, & Throw. Taking even a short 3 equates to a 5 step UTC drop. I haven't been to Denver in awhile, I could use a trip.

Over throwing Fades is simply a matter of him making the wrong type throw. The garbage can drill would really help. On Go's it a matter of the same issue. Rob sat in on a 4 Verts clinic I did & loved the video that backed up the notes. There are 4 different throws we use. At the Youth level it's 2, but he has to know when to use which one. If he is so coach-able I think  there is a mechanical problem that is being overlooked. Just going off your description I think it's the drops you are teaching. A phone call would help.

Joe

"Champions behave like champions before they're champions: they have a winning standard of performance before they are winners"Bill Walsh


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gumby_in_co
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July 19, 2017 12:35 pm  

L

First I am a big believer in a Long 3 & a Short 3. I teach both. Next, just by your description I think you are limiting hip rotation. This is something I would actually have to see. I also no long teach Stop. We use a little loser set than the all cleats in the ground.

Some college coaches are teaching Toe tap with the front foot, personally I am not a fan. The do a Captain Morgan drill which is funny to watch.

Next, from the Gun you need Catch, Cock, & Throw. Taking even a short 3 equates to a 5 step UTC drop. I haven't been to Denver in awhile, I could use a trip.

Over throwing Fades is simply a matter of him making the wrong type throw. The garbage can drill would really help. On Go's it a matter of the same issue. Rob sat in on a 4 Verts clinic I did & loved the video that backed up the notes. There are 4 different throws we use. At the Youth level it's 2, but he has to know when to use which one. If he is so coach-able I think  there is a mechanical problem that is being overlooked. Just going off your description I think it's the drops you are teaching. A phone call would help.

Joe

My 3 steps don't include the drop. 3 step drop is Big, Little, Little, ball on the shelf.
Big
Little
Little
Stop
Pop
Throw (Ball is away half way through this step)

Shotgun is "shelf" on the stop step,
pop
throw.

His biggest problem last Fall was dropping his elbow to his rib cage and shot putting the ball. I think he was trying to take "zip" off of it.

This Spring, his biggest problem was footwork. He would toe tap his back foot instead of putting his heel down and he would step WAY open with his front foot. Usually 10 o'clock instead of 12 o'clock.

For hip rotation, I start with heel on the ground and tell him to drive his belly button to the target. I was taught "pecker at your target" by a HS coach in a clinic, but that is inappropriate for my taste. Part of the progression is throwing with the left knee on the ground to teach the importance of trunk torque. I'll have them throw for distance and velocity with their left knee down. This denies the hip rotation. After a few, I'll stand them up and let them incorporate their hip.

I am open to Catch Cock Throw out of gun. I can have him set his back foot while the ball is in the air. His biggest problem is not setting his feet properly.

100% right about his fades. He doesn't dip his shoulder and lately has been throwing fades with too flat a trajectory.

Would love to give you a call.

When in doot . . . glass and oot.


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Bob Goodman
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July 19, 2017 12:48 pm  

Dinosaur egg, poke the zombie, Capt. Morgan...what...oh, never mind.  Maybe I can resume trying to figure out where "jits" comes from on Delphi's single wing, etc. forum.  Maybe there's Berlitz for football coaching.


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MHcoach
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July 19, 2017 1:34 pm  

L

The way you are describing the Drop sounds more like 4 steps to me. That could be getting him out of rhythm.

Long 3

Big
Crossover
Rock (that is the set step)

Short 3
Big
Slide
Rock

Our QB's are always stepping as the ball is in the air. So on Catch, Cock, Throw; he is stepping as the ball comes back & he should just have to take a good set(Cock) to throw. I actually time the release from the snap. I even do it from the Youth level. We want the ball out of his hands in .8 to 1.2 seconds on Catch, Cock, throw.

The hip turn thing is a product of driving his shoulder through the throw. I have stopped with the belly button thingy & concentrate more on off foot at the target. All my right handed QB's have a Greek Eye drawn on their left toes in sharpie. It really works.

Joe

"Champions behave like champions before they're champions: they have a winning standard of performance before they are winners"Bill Walsh


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Wing-n-It
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July 19, 2017 2:03 pm  

Here is a thought

..............Jaxson.......................Godzilla....Huddle...Fish...Marcus....Aaron....Chris
.........................................................................Moll.......................................Pablo
..............................X Man
.......................................................................Jayden

In DC wingT terms we call that "slot"
Im glad you have see the light  ;D 😀
With X man close to Godzilla The DE to that side wont know where the block is coming from.

*know*

2 Things my offense will always have is a Wing and a Wedge


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PSLCOACHROB
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July 20, 2017 2:35 am  

Just run the dw and you can basically forget about passing.  😛


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MBCoach
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October 11, 2017 11:46 pm  

Thought I should give an update.

Things ended up working out just fine I guess. I recruited a new QB, and coached up 1 more as a backup (come to find out we need 3, that game sucked). 

The player who moved up to the next division went on to be happy and successful, and I'm happy for him. Their team hasn't won, but I think that is a product of bad luck with scheduling. They played both of the top two teams in their league and competed the whole game and lost 20-6 against both. They are a good team, their record doesn't reflect how much those boys have grown and improved over the course of the season. They have 1 game left, and I think they will get that win finally.

Our team really made a turn around this year. I took over the team in March, and throughout the year learned more and more horrific details about the past coaching staffs and parents these boys have had to deal with. They hadn't won a game in 3 years, and last year only scored once (or twice? conflicting reports). We only returned 7 players from last year's roster, and added 14 new kids who had never played football before (most of them had never played a sport before).  Unfortunately with under 22 to begin with, and a few always being sick or injured, it is difficult (even with coaches playing) to show them 11 on 11 football.

I saw our schedule and knew it would be hard. There are 15 teams in our league, each (except 8 teams with a bye week) playing 8 games. 6 out of our 8 opponents had made the playoffs last year, and we had to play all but the 3rd and 7th best teams. We had difficult teams at the beginning and end, and a couple of games I marked as "should win" on the calendar in the middle.

Its been a very long process, but we've made major strides. We picked up 2 wins, and have our final regular season game this week. We are fighting for the final playoff spot! Its very exciting for the kids to have this experience, and actually compete in meaningful games. Even the few times we've gotten blown out, they keep it all in perspective and still have fun.  We (almost) always score, and have had A LOT of different players cross the goal line. So even when its very one-sided, they're having a blast.

From the feedback we've received from parents and players, we expect somewhere between an 80-90% return rate next year. We start the offseason workout program in March, which was an excellent recruiting tool last year. If I can return 15 from this years team, and add another 15 again next year, I think we will finally have the depth to compete with these elite teams (most teams have over 30 players, so our guys get GASSED).  Last year the offseason workout program was primarily a recruiting tool, and an evaluation period. I didn't know any of the players or their talents or flaws, or how it all was going to piece together yet. This year we can actually work them out. We can actually improve them in their position rather than just as an athlete in general. Im very very excited about the future with these boys.


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patriotsfatboy1
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October 12, 2017 5:24 am  

Each season is quite the journey.  You have to keep moving forward and threads like this can help you remember what you had to deal with.  😀


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