My county has 3 rule change proposals up for a vote. Each club has 1 vote. Troy and I are from different clubs in the same league and have discussed this.
1) Eliminating "Rookie Tackle" and going back to 11 v 11 for 2nd graders under NFHS rules. Possibly putting a clock on these games because they tend to drag. I'm strongly in favor and so is my club.
2) Changing length of quarters for 100yd fields (6th, 7th and 8th grade) from 10 minutes to 12. I'm in favor, but not passionate about it. Club also in favor. I like the opportunity for more playing time for everyone. However, field rental fees are going up 15% this Fall, so this could get expensive. Also, there are concerns about injuries.
3) Eliminating Minimum Play Rule for 8th graders. I am strongly opposed to this. I asked what the justification was behind the rule. It was stated that in 8th grade, there are some kids who present a safety risk. It was even stated (by the anonymous author) that coaches don't have enough practice time to properly prepare these kids for game day contact. I call BS. Club is also strongly opposed.
At the request of the officials, they are also looking at using a standardized game ball (make/model - not size) for all games. County would provide the game balls. The officials state that swapping out footballs on game day slows the game down. County is looking at a grant to buy game balls for all games. I don't like this one at all, but it's not up to a vote.
I also drafted a new rule, but my club pres hasn't presented it to County yet. In my proposal, a forfeit would result in a $500 fine to the forfeiting club and 1 game suspension for the forfeiting coach. If a team can't be at a game for a legitimate emergency, they would have the opportunity to re-schedule at the next mutually acceptable time and place. That team would be responsible for field rental and officials.
Game plan? I got your game plan. We gonna run the bawl some. We gonna throw the bawl some. We gonna play some defense. We gonna run some special teams, but we better not run kick return but one time and we sure as heck better not punt.
The game time change I think is fair for the age group considering it matches high school. Which is what the development should be. Just would be concerned if the games aren't competitive this could be an issue.
Eliminating the min play rule is youth is an issue I would have too. This is for better or worse a game to get involved. If the kid gets laid out he experienced it, if he lays people out he experienced it. If lil Johnny doesn't get in the game he never was given a chance to make a decision. Lots of kids are lost this way and it's not cool.
We have a $1k forfeit or no show rule of the schedule is released prior. Our schedule is sent out 3rd week I'm August with first game last weekend in August. Only consideration I've seen is when there's a sickness like COVID and the team doesn't have minimum requirements to play. This was excused obviously.
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My county has 3 rule change proposals up for a vote. Each club has 1 vote. Troy and I are from different clubs in the same league and have discussed this.
1) Eliminating "Rookie Tackle" and going back to 11 v 11 for 2nd graders under NFHS rules. Possibly putting a clock on these games because they tend to drag. I'm strongly in favor and so is my club.
They can even do 8 on 8 and get a better thing going than they have now. Its been a travesty.
2) Changing length of quarters for 100yd fields (6th, 7th and 8th grade) from 10 minutes to 12. I'm in favor, but not passionate about it. Club also in favor. I like the opportunity for more playing time for everyone. However, field rental fees are going up 15% this Fall, so this could get expensive. Also, there are concerns about injuries.
As long as they keep playing games at the same 3 facilities I wouldn't think field costs going up would be the deal breaker.
3) Eliminating Minimum Play Rule for 8th graders. I am strongly opposed to this. I asked what the justification was behind the rule. It was stated that in 8th grade, there are some kids who present a safety risk. It was even stated (by the anonymous author) that coaches don't have enough practice time to properly prepare these kids for game day contact. I call BS. Club is also strongly opposed.
This is a very bad idea.
At the request of the officials, they are also looking at using a standardized game ball (make/model - not size) for all games. County would provide the game balls. The officials state that swapping out footballs on game day slows the game down. County is looking at a grant to buy game balls for all games. I don't like this one at all, but it's not up to a vote.
Find out what the League will be using and use the same in practice. No biggie. You know they wont be leather. Too expensive unless Dicks gives them to the League for free.
I also drafted a new rule, but my club pres hasn't presented it to County yet. In my proposal, a forfeit would result in a $500 fine to the forfeiting club and 1 game suspension for the forfeiting coach. If a team can't be at a game for a legitimate emergency, they would have the opportunity to re-schedule at the next mutually acceptable time and place. That team would be responsible for field rental and officials.
Odd. JYFA prides itself on playing a full schedule every year. They need this Rule. Why would Gary drag his feet on this?
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The game time change I think is fair for the age group considering it matches high school.
Maybe not. Typically youth games are running time instead of Federation time, so 12 minutes does not equal 12 minutes.
My county has 3 rule change proposals up for a vote. Each club has 1 vote. Troy and I are from different clubs in the same league and have discussed this.
1) Eliminating "Rookie Tackle" and going back to 11 v 11 for 2nd graders under NFHS rules. Possibly putting a clock on these games because they tend to drag. I'm strongly in favor and so is my club.
They can even do 8 on 8 and get a better thing going than they have now. Its been a travesty.
My thoughts exactly. It's the "special" rules that ruin it. Most of the rules were copied from Flex.
2) Changing length of quarters for 100yd fields (6th, 7th and 8th grade) from 10 minutes to 12. I'm in favor, but not passionate about it. Club also in favor. I like the opportunity for more playing time for everyone. However, field rental fees are going up 15% this Fall, so this could get expensive. Also, there are concerns about injuries.
As long as they keep playing games at the same 3 facilities I wouldn't think field costs going up would be the deal breaker.
The thinking is that we would use a lot more field time and I guess we are charged by the hour. Another valid concern is that your regularly scheduled game kicks off 45 minutes or more late. The later in the day your game is scheduled, the more likely you'll be delayed. Most games that run long are because of excessive flags.
3) Eliminating Minimum Play Rule for 8th graders. I am strongly opposed to this. I asked what the justification was behind the rule. It was stated that in 8th grade, there are some kids who present a safety risk. It was even stated (by the anonymous author) that coaches don't have enough practice time to properly prepare these kids for game day contact. I call BS. Club is also strongly opposed.
This is a very bad idea.
From what I'm hearing, only 1 club is behind this. Everyone else is dead set against it. I'm sure there are coaches in every club that would love to ignore the bottom of their roster. We really need to go back to divisions.
At the request of the officials, they are also looking at using a standardized game ball (make/model - not size) for all games. County would provide the game balls. The officials state that swapping out footballs on game day slows the game down. County is looking at a grant to buy game balls for all games. I don't like this one at all, but it's not up to a vote.
Find out what the League will be using and use the same in practice. No biggie. You know they wont be leather. Too expensive unless Dicks gives them to the League for free.
How much time would this really save, though. I wonder what their thoughts are on Brad's unique take on mercy games? This is a ref who puts games on a running clock despite there being nothing in the rules. "It's my discretion"
I also drafted a new rule, but my club pres hasn't presented it to County yet. In my proposal, a forfeit would result in a $500 fine to the forfeiting club and 1 game suspension for the forfeiting coach. If a team can't be at a game for a legitimate emergency, they would have the opportunity to re-schedule at the next mutually acceptable time and place. That team would be responsible for field rental and officials.
Odd. JYFA prides itself on playing a full schedule every year. They need this Rule. Why would Gary drag his feet on this?
Yeah, well I got abused by the County Board when I wouldn't shut up about it. Now, they are having a mandatory HC meeting. So after they make it clear they have zero interest in my concerns, they want me to sit through a lecture about how to be a better coach. Feedback I'm getting is Gary is busy.
Game plan? I got your game plan. We gonna run the bawl some. We gonna throw the bawl some. We gonna play some defense. We gonna run some special teams, but we better not run kick return but one time and we sure as heck better not punt.
3) Eliminating Minimum Play Rule for 8th graders. I am strongly opposed to this. I asked what the justification was behind the rule. It was stated that in 8th grade, there are some kids who present a safety risk. It was even stated (by the anonymous author) that coaches don't have enough practice time to properly prepare these kids for game day contact. I call BS. Club is also strongly opposed.
I'd call BS too. Whether you should have a MPR is subject to a few reasons, but this ain't one of them. If some players are getting short-changed on instruction, eliminating a play requirement won't fix that, but could make it worse, coaches neglecting them even more. It does happen that some players miss a stretch of practice for any of various reasons, so a reasonable MPR a league could have is that a player qualifies for minimum play once they've attended X hours of practice.
3) Eliminating Minimum Play Rule for 8th graders.
As usual, I agree with you.
I don't recall which of you told me this, but the wisdom passed on to me was, "if you want to know what kind of a coach you are, ask your WORST player". That sticks with me at every practice (even for soccer, basketball, and lacrosse). Anyone can coach the superstars, but it takes a true teacher to take the "10%" and make them a contributor.
It sounds to me like the people that support this rule, don't want to do that. They just want to tell you how their 3-5 defense dominates and how special their secret sauce is. Ironically, if this rule does pass, this same group of people will complain that numbers aren't what they used to be.
Let me know how it goes...
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3) Eliminating Minimum Play Rule for 8th graders. I am strongly opposed to this. I asked what the justification was behind the rule. It was stated that in 8th grade, there are some kids who present a safety risk. It was even stated (by the anonymous author) that coaches don't have enough practice time to properly prepare these kids for game day contact. I call BS. Club is also strongly opposed.
I'd call BS too. Whether you should have a MPR is subject to a few reasons, but this ain't one of them. If some players are getting short-changed on instruction, eliminating a play requirement won't fix that, but could make it worse, coaches neglecting them even more. It does happen that some players miss a stretch of practice for any of various reasons, so a reasonable MPR a league could have is that a player qualifies for minimum play once they've attended X hours of practice.
It seems to me that these coaches are already neglecting players and are just looking to remove the consequences for doing so.
Game plan? I got your game plan. We gonna run the bawl some. We gonna throw the bawl some. We gonna play some defense. We gonna run some special teams, but we better not run kick return but one time and we sure as heck better not punt.
3) Eliminating Minimum Play Rule for 8th graders.
As usual, I agree with you.
I don't recall which of you told me this, but the wisdom passed on to me was, "if you want to know what kind of a coach you are, ask your WORST player". That sticks with me at every practice (even for soccer, basketball, and lacrosse). Anyone can coach the superstars, but it takes a true teacher to take the "10%" and make them a contributor.
It sounds to me like the people that support this rule, don't want to do that. They just want to tell you how their 3-5 defense dominates and how special their secret sauce is. Ironically, if this rule does pass, this same group of people will complain that numbers aren't what they used to be.
Let me know how it goes...
Amen to that.
Some of the best teams we play against have some really unsound defenses. Doesn't matter because their sheer speed and athleticism across the board is very forgiving.
I don't have any real evidence, but I'm told it's one particular club that is behind this rule. This is kind of odd because their 7th grade team didn't do very well last season and I think they have 7 kids playing up. The only way this makes sense is if they plan on bringing a bunch of studs in for 8th grade. I'm also told they are working hard to put a 7th grade team together so those 7 players can play in their own age group. Maybe that's what's going on? No idea. The only time our league takes this rule seriously is in the championship game. Parents complaining that their kids never get minimum plays is commonplace. Parents being mistaken about this is also commonplace.
Game plan? I got your game plan. We gonna run the bawl some. We gonna throw the bawl some. We gonna play some defense. We gonna run some special teams, but we better not run kick return but one time and we sure as heck better not punt.
Greetings Coaches,
Seems our league is also going to some new rules.
Our new President & board is much more expansive in their thinking than the last two. Instead of just a nice little county-wide rec league, they want to start competing with the big boys. So, we’re going more with the rules we find when our All-stars compete. Basically, other than PATs and a coach on the field, we’re going with H.School rules.
PATs: At the H.S. HC's request ... to encourage more passing and kicking instead of just giving the ball to the stud and running it in, a kick between the up-rights is worth 2 pts, under the uprights is 1 pt. A completed pass is worth 2 pts, and a run in is worth 1 pt.
Back in the ‘80’s when the league started the standard Defense was some kind of a 7-to-9 kids on the DL- and put the meanest kid at NT to beat the tar out of the center and force bad snaps, and walk their 2 best athletes up to blitz the A-gaps. I’m told that most games, offenses went backward more than they did forward. It got to where parents were telling coaches, ‘if you put my kid at Center, we’re taking him home.’
So, the rule became – If a NT is used, he must line up 1 yd off the ball (give the C a chance to defend himself) and at the snap at least 4 players must be 3 yds deep. Well, no more of that…
I expect that at least 2 of the teams will go to a NT-beat-the-tar-out-of-the-C with double-A-gap-blitzes defense. To my knowledge, no one in our league has heard of Coach Reed and the Gap-Air-Mirror. But, I expect those 2 teams will try to re-invent that wheel.
Oddly, I find I’m looking forward to seeing what the other coaches will throw at our Wing-T, now that – as the new President puts it - “the gloves are off”. 😀
Umm.... why does that 6 ft tall 9 yr old have a goatee...?
I kind of like the 1 pt for kicking it under the crossbar rule. At least through 5th grade.
Game plan? I got your game plan. We gonna run the bawl some. We gonna throw the bawl some. We gonna play some defense. We gonna run some special teams, but we better not run kick return but one time and we sure as heck better not punt.
I kind of like the 1 pt for kicking it under the crossbar rule. At least through 5th grade.
If they're going to do that on PAT, seems they should also give some score for that on FG attempts in other situations. I also don't know why, with so many circuits giving 2 points for a kicked PAT they don't also use the other traditional 6-man rule: 4 points for a FG. So if they give 4 points for a FG during general play, should be 2 points for under-the-bar. Don't know if I'd count bouncers or rollers, though.
My county has 3 rule change proposals up for a vote. Each club has 1 vote. Troy and I are from different clubs in the same league and have discussed this.
1) Eliminating "Rookie Tackle" and going back to 11 v 11 for 2nd graders under NFHS rules. Possibly putting a clock on these games because they tend to drag. I'm strongly in favor and so is my club.
--I really dunno what the difference is, nor do I understand why their games should drag. Isn't the game clock and play clock the same for all ages?
2) Changing length of quarters for 100yd fields (6th, 7th and 8th grade) from 10 minutes to 12. I'm in favor, but not passionate about it. Club also in favor. I like the opportunity for more playing time for everyone. However, field rental fees are going up 15% this Fall, so this could get expensive. Also, there are concerns about injuries.
--I'd love a 12-minute clock over 10, especially if you have a MPR rule.
3) Eliminating Minimum Play Rule for 8th graders. I am strongly opposed to this. I asked what the justification was behind the rule. It was stated that in 8th grade, there are some kids who present a safety risk. It was even stated (by the anonymous author) that coaches don't have enough practice time to properly prepare these kids for game day contact. I call BS. Club is also strongly opposed.
--Hate, hate, hate the idea of eliminating MPR rule. All that assures is that 2s and 3s won't get coached because they won't get playing time, and they won't get playing time because they won't be coached.
At the request of the officials, they are also looking at using a standardized game ball (make/model - not size) for all games. County would provide the game balls. The officials state that swapping out footballs on game day slows the game down. County is looking at a grant to buy game balls for all games. I don't like this one at all, but it's not up to a vote.
--Don't mind a standardized ball. I'd just make sure I have plenty of them for my practices. Once Pop Warner started having a specific ball for play-offs, I bought the same make/model for us to play though the season with. That way, we were comfortable with the "Pop Warner ball" when post-season arrived.
I also drafted a new rule, but my club pres hasn't presented it to County yet. In my proposal, a forfeit would result in a $500 fine to the forfeiting club and 1 game suspension for the forfeiting coach. If a team can't be at a game for a legitimate emergency, they would have the opportunity to re-schedule at the next mutually acceptable time and place. That team would be responsible for field rental and officials.
--I'd up the fee and the length of the suspension.
--Dave
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Good. Get rid of that. One of the stupidest youth rules ever.
--Dave
"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."
The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."
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--Absolute BS. If a guy doesn't know how to prepare his players then he has no business coaching. But that's most coaches, anyway.
--Dave
"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."
The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."
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