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CoachJJ
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SIMPLE GUN & DW

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BROWN - Base Right (under center)
BLACK - Base Left (under center)
GREY - Gun Right (direct snap)
GOLD - Gun Left (direct snap)

Nothing set in stone yet but I think I want the FB to remain offset but instead of G/T gap just behind the Guard and a step deeper than usual ... probably not in 3pt stance but instead the low ground ball baseball stance (clear from the path of the ball but close enough to catch it) ... it is a minor adjustment to his location that should allow all of his jobs to remain the same but get him in position to catch the ball if we want to run him without an exchange ...

The HB on the other hand is the real dilemma I am having ... there are 3 thoughts in my head and I want to settle on just 1 (keeping it simple) ...

1. Normal alignment like DTDW and he must go in motion for most everything we do ...

2. Deeper than normal and more behind the TE ... this means no motion for our TOSS Series (big change if we are running both under center and shotgun) ... also bad position to hook the DE for our QUICK Series ... but I absolutely love how easy it would be to come across under the QB and run off tackle (looks like Zone Read) where the QB can hold the backside DE by faking that he keeps the ball ... I also love that location for the HB to run JET to the strong side that would mimic how the NFL runs 'wildcat' ... we can run the QB off tackle underneath that motion/action and watch our blocks on the edge get ridiculously easy (FB and Guard kicking out DE and OLB) ...

3. Tailback alignment either behind the QB (Pistol) or slide the QB over behind the FB ... in this location the HB receives a true 'direct snap' for his plays while the QB and/or FB receive the snap for their plays ... this is my least favorite as it becomes far too much like Single Wing (less misdirection and more predictable) ... I am more inclined to make this a TAG like HAMMER and just smash off tackle over and over again ... maybe add a XX or REVERSE but mostly it would be like BEAST or YALE formation stuff ...

I have even toyed around with moving the WB out wide full time in our GUN look ... he can block the 'corner' and if we want to run the Quick Series we would have to add motion to it (not 'simple' so I don't like that idea) or something along those lines ...

So armed with the above information, what do you Simple Double Wing guys think ??

Coach JJ
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"Football may be the best-taught subject in American High Schools because it may be the only subject that we haven't tried to make easy."

~Dorothy Farnan
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Dimson
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You should really look into Coach Cox's Power Pistol. I think it is what you are looking for to go with your regular DW.


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You should really look into Coach Cox's Power Pistol. I think it is what you are looking for to go with your regular DW.

Meshing JJ's system with Coach Cox's might not fall into the 'Simple' Category.

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Dimson
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Meshing JJ's system with Coach Cox's might not fall into the 'Simple' Category.

Acually he has a DSDW formation as well. But I am a huge fan of his Power Pistol.


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You should really look into Coach Cox's Power Pistol. I think it is what you are looking for to go with your regular DW.

I was actually one of the first people to get a look at Coach Cox's Power Pistol ... in my opinion it is not close enough or simple enough for what I want to do ... I posted above that one option for the alignment of our HB is in a 'pistol' look but honestly I don't like that very much ... if I did, I would have been an I formation guy long long ago ... Tailbacks become focal points ... just like they do in the Single Wing ... and just by moving him over to the side as a Wing, we take some focus off of him ... it is subtle but effective in my opinion ...

I like Terry and his materials quite a bit ... plan to ask him back out to the Symposium this year or next ... great energy and great schemes (off and def) ... but just not for me ...

I need a little more of what we already do to be kept the exact same ... gotta remember I am not looking for something new because our old stuff doesn't work ... in fact, I have dabbled with direct snap in every off season for the last 4 or 5 ... only to toss it all in the trash and stick with what I already know works the best ...

Now with guys like Murphy, Gregory and Cox showing all this shotgun stuff, a lot of guys want to try and incorporate it into what they do ... I am one of those guys but it has to match perfectly ... I am too anal to mix in something that isn't an exact fit ...

Anal Example 1 ... I will have to change my favorite play call from TOSS to something else (in the whole playbook) ... because in the gun we wont be 'tossing' the damn ball ... I would just go with POWER but I hate the idea of our most often used play call being more than 1 syllable ... that is the level of anal I am about how this all works together ... but it is also why I know beyond a shadow of a doubt I have the easiest DW system for anyone (new coach or old) to use ... because I am not satisfied until it is perfect ...

Anal Example 2 ... When I write a playbook I have to end on a complete page (3/4 full or more) ... no chapters ending with just 2 sentences on the next page ... I don't know why other than my personal belief that it looks terrible and people will skip reading it because it is short ... I either fill another page with information or I go back and rewrite the last page more concisely so that the information all fits ... 😎

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Meshing JJ's system with Coach Cox's might not fall into the 'Simple' Category.

^^^ THIS ^^^

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But that doesn't mean his material isn't worthy or isn't great stuff ... it really is great ... just not as 'simple' as I like things to be ...

Coach JJ
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~Dorothy Farnan
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Your not done with this yet?!! ;D

Seriously, we need a simple DSDW. Are you gonna still use the QB to block or boot? Are you still going to spin him?

Noticed Cox used a side toss to the WB on power. I think you will loose some misdirection if he doesn't spin but would love to drop the spin if you could get away with it...

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2. Deeper than normal and more behind the TE ... this means no motion for our TOSS Series (big change if we are running both under center and shotgun) ... also bad position to hook the DE for our QUICK Series ... but I absolutely love how easy it would be to come across under the QB and run off tackle (looks like Zone Read) where the QB can hold the backside DE by faking that he keeps the ball ... I also love that location for the HB to run JET to the strong side that would mimic how the NFL runs 'wildcat' ... we can run the QB off tackle underneath that motion/action and watch our blocks on the edge get ridiculously easy (FB and Guard kicking out DE and OLB) ...

My vote is option #2.  Off the top of my head I can't think of a play in the Simple DW you couldn't run out of this look but I'm sure you've already run through all of that.

I am more inclined to make this a TAG like HAMMER and just smash off tackle over and over again ... maybe add a XX or REVERSE but mostly it would be like BEAST or YALE formation stuff ...

I'd go with adding the HAMMER tag.

I have even toyed around with moving the WB out wide full time in our GUN look ... he can block the 'corner' and if we want to run the Quick Series we would have to add motion to it (not 'simple' so I don't like that idea) or something along those lines ...

This look w/ motion would make for a nice addition (addendum) to the Simple GUN.

My 0.02

-Ron


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Anal Example 1 ... I will have to change my favorite play call from TOSS to something else (in the whole playbook) ... because in the gun we wont be 'tossing' the damn ball ... I would just go with POWER but I hate the idea of our most often used play call being more than 1 syllable ... that is the level of anal I am about how this all works together ... but it is also why I know beyond a shadow of a doubt I have the easiest DW system for anyone (new coach or old) to use ... because I am not satisfied until it is perfect ...

Wow JJ... now that's anal LOL!  I'd stick with TOSS and try not to over think it.

-Ron


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Your option #2  instead of "Toss" call it "Slam".  If I am visualizing this correctly, the HB is coming under the QB like a Zone Read play, and instead of a traditional QB lead, or hockey stick after the Toss, instead he now threatens backside DE if the DE crashes he can pull and go?  If so, how do you plan on running a counter off this play?  WB crisscrosses the HB, also under QB?


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I am still favoring just having the WB go in motion like normal.  Both wings line up like normal (maybe 2 point instead of 3) and the QB take the direct snap and hand off for Off Tackle.  Keep FB the same but like you said mabe back him up a yard and low 2 point stance.  On wedges have him move over to A Gap (no one will notice) and direct snap.

If you want to keep it simple make it truly simple.  Just move the QB back and direct snap it.  Everything else is essentially the same.  I am sure there are some wrinkles you could put in there and do some other things but just use the same tags for that as well.

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If you keep the motion you can still call it Brown Gun Toss.  Who cares if you aren't tossing it.  They will know exactly what to do still.

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If you keep the motion you can still call it Brown Gun Toss.  Who cares if you aren't tossing it.  They will know exactly what to do still.

He should call it Hoss instead of Toss.


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Here is the toss from a side pitch from the QB.

But I really like how Cox did his DS and still used his QB as a blocker something I wish not to give up. I think spin the QB on sweep and make an outside handoff, this will set up a counter underneath if the QB continues his spin. If the D keys the QB spin for sweep and can really over pursue and then hand it off underneath to the WB could be even more open after you hit them for a couple a sweeps. Wedge, direct snap the the FB. Need a ISO play....power pass could be nasty and would hit so quick. Could still use all the tags...

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