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February 7, 2020 3:55 pm  

Hey Guys,  I am working on an article series on the Single Wing over at CoachParker.org.  First article is here https://coachparker.org/2020/02/07/single-wing-offense-formations/

I am trying to put together a list some historical single wing offensive formation variations.  Here is what ive dug up so far.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks Parker

  1. Pop Warner’s Single Wingback
  2. Y Formation
  3. V Passing
  4. Yale Single Wing – “Beast”
  5. Notre Dame Box
  6. Tennessee Formation
  7. Harvard’s Short Punt Formation
  8. Single Winged T
  9. Penn State SW
  10. Idaho SW
  11. Princeton SW
  12. LSU SW
  13. Warner Double Wing

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February 8, 2020 12:17 pm  
Posted by: @coachparker

Hey Guys,  I am working on an article series on the Single Wing over at CoachParker.org.  First article is here https://coachparker.org/2020/02/07/single-wing-offense-formations/

I am trying to put together a list some historical single wing offensive formation variations.  Here is what ive dug up so far.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks Parker

  1.  
  2. Y Formation

If that's the one I know, it doesn't even have a wingback!

What's the purpose of this article series?  What do you expect the reader to get out of it?  Usually a formation doesn't deserve an article on it, since there's more in playing from it that unites it with others than divides it from them.  That is, the formation variants are fine points that would interest only a narrow range of readers who are already interested in the general principles involved.  So is this for an advanced audience that's looking at what's to be gained by these subtle variants, and how to adjust defenses to them?

Taking another example from the list, Single Winged T, it stands in the opposite of that sort of relationship to the others.  Here the differences in the usual modes of play from it from the others are so great that, except as to historic development, it doesn't make sense to analyze it together with the others.

But if you can show how, despite appearances from play, wing T and those other wingback formations share principles that put them closer than they do to formations from which other systems are run, then my hat's off to you!


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February 10, 2020 8:44 pm  

Sorry that it took me a while to respond to this:

I had to find a copy of a series that I wrote in the mid 1990s for GRIDiron Coach on the Evolution of Offensive Football, Part 2 which covered the Single Wing.

Below are a couple of the variations that you asked about:

 

This is what most would call the Pop Warner Single Wing

..O..O..X..O..O..O..O

....................B...............W

.........T.......F

Here is the Minnesota Y Formation:

..O..O..X..O..O..O........O

.....................B.......W

........T.......F

 

This is the Z Formation:

..O..O..X..O..O..O..O

.......................B.........W

..................F

............T

 

This is the Tennessee balanced line SW:

..O..O..O..X..O..O..O

......................B..........W

...................F

..............T

 

This is Zupke's Illinois (Short Punt) Formation:

..O......O..O..X..O..O.....O

..............................W

.............F.........B

....................T

 

Warner's Double Wing:

....O..O..X..O..O..O....O

L.......................................R

..................F

..............T

 

QT Formation:

..O...O..X..O..O...O....O

............Q......................W

.......L.......R

 

Notre Dame Box (post shift from a T formation)

..O....O..O..X..O..O.....O

.........................Q....W

.............T...........F

 

A Formation (Steve Owens):

....O..O..X..O..O...O.....O

W

.......F..........Q

...........T 

 

Triple Wing:

....O..O..O..X..O..O..O

W.......................................O........O

..................T

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February 11, 2020 10:22 am  

@bignose

Thank you there are a few I needed.  

 

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February 11, 2020 10:25 am  

Here is part 1 of the Single Wing formations diagrams - https://coachparker.org/2020/02/10/single-wing-offensive-formation-diagrams-part-1-single-wing-offense/

I know some of the formations are not "true" Single Wing but were in the spirit of the formation IMO.  

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February 11, 2020 10:33 am  

@bob-goodman

Some of the older formations I review will be in the spirit of the single wing imo.  They kinda all evolved from Skaggs and Warner wing formations.

Gosh I did not know I was going to English class when I posted here. LOL 

I thought it would be fun to do a little research on the offensive schemes around the single wing.  I run the Yale Single Wing - Beast and a variant of the Notre Dame Box. The UBSW is not the only SW out there. I want to see more and review them along with the plays, history and why they were tweaked from the SW.  I think it would be  interesting to look at the top UBSW plays and try them out on paper in the other formations and see how they look.  

Lets see whats useful to the many readers.  Seems to me this is an interesting topic so far based on the traffic to the articles.  

I'll keep you posted.  

~ Parker

 

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February 11, 2020 10:06 pm  
Posted by: @bignose

Here is the Minnesota Y Formation:

..O..O..X..O..O..O........O

..................B.......W

.....T.......F

Thanks, completely different from the one I was thinking of.  Probably a coaching staff's arbitrary naming, like the Owen "A", no relationship to the shape of the letter.


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February 11, 2020 10:29 pm  
Posted by: @coachparker

The UBSW is not the only SW out there. I want to see more and review them along with the plays, history and why they were tweaked from the SW.

In that case I'll tell about a tweak I used.  A diagram of the type shown above of the Tennessee balanced line single wing can't show the fine detail of how the one labeled "B" lined up.  In 1950 they switched to having him face forward as most single wing blocking backs do, but previously they had him facing away from "W" and able to reach under center for the snap.  I turned him around the way I think Dike Beade had him: hands in the same place, but butt pivoted around so he'd be facing W and therefore able to see him coming in motion across, so as to closely time the snap to a handoff by B to W.


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February 12, 2020 12:25 pm  
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Posted by: @bignose

Here is the Minnesota Y Formation:

..O..O..X..O..O..O........O

..................B.......W

.....T.......F

Thanks, completely different from the one I was thinking of.  Probably a coaching staff's arbitrary naming, like the Owen "A", no relationship to the shape of the letter.

 

The problem is trying to draw them within the site's typing format.

..O..O..X..O..O..O......O

....................B

......T......F...............W

This didn't look right the first time I drew it up.

In reality, the Wing is deeper than the blocking back, but ahead of the FB. Couldn't draw it that way. 

This is the formation Aldrich's Spinning FB book is based upon.

 

 

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February 12, 2020 12:28 pm  

And this contemporary update of the SW is used by Tim Murphy as his "Gun Wing" Offense.

 

..O..O..O..X..O..O..O

.......................B.........W

.....T.........Q

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