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mahonz
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December 27, 2015 1:09 pm  

Here is an 8 minute drive whereas the Defense had two players get hurt....had us in second and about 30 at one point...tried a couple of different fronts....submarines our OL....and burned two timeouts. 

This was in the 4th quarter with the game tied at 6.

The Beast is flippin' ugly but its not meant to be pretty. Its meant to grind the Opponent  into submission....and it does.

Guys ask me why we run it so much in the games when we do so many other things quite well that is much more fun to watch...well.....its more fun watching the opposing Defenses go thru a very slow death march.

I picked this Drive because you can see the down markers. They had us stopped numerous times. My apologies for some of the quality of the clips. After this game I had to tell the Parents....no more teenagers on the camera. Clowns. 

What is beautiful, lives forever.


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December 27, 2015 1:35 pm  

Amen!  ;D

Unleash The Beasthttps://youtu.be/Dpfu4adYErc


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December 27, 2015 2:15 pm  

We too ran beast. Worked great. Was our mmp offense. Those kids opened every game in beast and set the tone.

Quick question....how far did u ask your ball carrier to line up at the snap?


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mahonz
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December 27, 2015 4:24 pm  

We too ran beast. Worked great. Was our mmp offense. Those kids opened every game in beast and set the tone.

Quick question....how far did u ask your ball carrier to line up at the snap?

I like  around 5 yards.

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December 29, 2015 5:50 am  

Here is an 8 minute drive whereas the Defense had two players get hurt....had us in second and about 30 at one point...tried a couple of different fronts....submarines our OL....and burned two timeouts. 

This was in the 4th quarter with the game tied at 6.

The Beast is flippin' ugly but its not meant to be pretty. Its meant to grind the Opponent  into submission....and it does.

Guys ask me why we run it so much in the games when we do so many other things quite well that is much more fun to watch...well.....its more fun watching the opposing Defenses go thru a very slow death march.

I picked this Drive because you can see the down markers. They had us stopped numerous times. My apologies for some of the quality of the clips. After this game I had to tell the Parents....no more teenagers on the camera. Clowns. 

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Love the beast coach!

I noticed your o line stays in 2 point.  I know this topic has be hashed and rehashed before but please give me your reasons for going to a 2 pt stance.  I'm thinking of doing this next season.  What do you see as positives and negatives?  Did you get much push back from ACs?

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GaryG

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mahonz
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December 29, 2015 6:25 am  

Love the beast coach!

I noticed your o line stays in 2 point.  I know this topic has be hashed and rehashed before but please give me your reasons for going to a 2 pt stance.  I'm thinking of doing this next season.  What do you see as positives and negatives?  Did you get much push back from ACs?

Thanks,

GaryG

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The 2 point stance started out as a temporary thing coaching the littlest dudes. If you have ever coached 1st , 2nd or 3rd graders you know that a 3 point stance can be a bit of a chore for some of them. Those that struggle with it cant really see the defense because they cant see out of the tops of their helmets. Then once you get their stances going you now have to maintain their vertical splits for the entire season because they tend to bow into the neutral zone or back into the backfield.

So we just decided to avoid all that nonsense since there were about 100 things more important to teach them...and went with the more natural 2 point stance. Sure they all played too high but we didn't care...at that level everyone plays too high. Now we could spend the time to teach them the fundamentals of blocking rather than the fundamentals of a good 3 point stance.

As they got older it stuck. I could sit them in their stance for 20 seconds. Really easy for them to maintain even heels so they were now much faster going in any direction. They learned to play lower and maintain a good blocking demeanor.

Plus Coach Potter had used it with mid level aged kids and did really well.

I knew it was the thing to do last Spring. We had 3 or 4 experienced OLM from other Teams play and they all used the 3 point stance. They immediately embraced the 2 point after I introduced them to it. They said it was more comfortable they felt quicker off the football.

So our stance is now even heels, butt low, head up, elbows on the knees, hands at the ready with a quick punch and a small first step. No more loading the arms. No more power stances. No more looking out of the tops of you helmet. No more telegraphing pass pro with stand up tackles. No more maintaining vertical splits. No more time wasted teaching new kids a proper 3 point stance. Takes a few minutes to teach the 2 point because its more natural.

Now....DLM....3 or 4 point. We let them play around with the 2 point on the DL a few years ago. No go. This does not translate to both sides of the football.

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December 29, 2015 6:58 am  

Excellent post.  Thanks.

I coached tiny mite last year so I know what you mean.  Planning to coach my older son at Pee Wee next season.

I have graded quite a bit of O line film and I have noticed that most tacklers in the backfield were never touched by an o-lineman.  Your point about being able to see the defense better out of a 2 point is spot on.

In the film, your O-linemen are pointing to the defenders.  I assume they are telling their teammate who they are going to block (duh).  How do you teach you O linemen to communicate?  Do you just tell them to point to their guy?  I think subtlety is overrated.  A half block in the right guy is a lot better than a pancake on the wrong guy.

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mahonz
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December 29, 2015 7:59 am  

Excellent post.  Thanks.

I coached tiny mite last year so I know what you mean.  Planning to coach my older son at Pee Wee next season.

I have graded quite a bit of O line film and I have noticed that most tacklers in the backfield were never touched by an o-lineman.  Your point about being able to see the defense better out of a 2 point is spot on.

In the film, your O-linemen are pointing to the defenders.  I assume they are telling their teammate who they are going to block (duh).  How do you teach you O linemen to communicate?  Do you just tell them to point to their guy?  I think subtlety is overrated.  A half block in the right guy is a lot better than a pancake on the wrong guy.

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In a few of those clips....we should have been flagged for pointing at the snap.

The tackles are cued up to be the communicators since they have the best view up and down the DL. They are the pointers.

He is simply saying...my man....your man and pointing.

Takes practice...make sure everyone is done pointing and set at the snap. Its not an issue except in Beast. Fast paced and since we have so many different kids running the football we must have one designated QB calling the cadence. This is always one of the sniffer backs. Sometimes he is in too much of a hurry.

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December 29, 2015 8:29 am  

A half block in the right guy is a lot better than a pancake on the wrong guy.

I'll take the pancake on the wrong guy.

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December 29, 2015 8:49 am  

Takes practice...make sure everyone is done pointing and set at the snap.

We point in live drills.

If you haven't pointed and yelled out your opponent's name or number by the time the cadence starts, we stop the cadence and kick you out of the rep.

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December 29, 2015 10:22 am  

I'm loving the splits Mahonz!!  Got me seriously thinking about running them like this next year.  This year I was basically foot to foot with 7/8 year olds, next year with 9/10 thinking I can spread them out some. 


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mahonz
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December 29, 2015 10:45 am  

I'm loving the splits Mahonz!!  Got me seriously thinking about running them like this next year.  This year I was basically foot to foot with 7/8 year olds, next year with 9/10 thinking I can spread them out some.

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Its turned out to be a really good thing for us....Power I, Beast, Empty, Ace.

So many things just work out better for a lot of reasons when you spread out the OL. This team was a bunch of misfits from 3 or 4 different teams that came together as a pretty good grinder team. I think of the 9 wins they came from behind to win in 5 of them.

They played really good Defense too.

What I like about the mega splits...we are unlimited weight so my Bigs have to play OL and DL out of necessity because I never have enough of them to go around.

In the past we'd tend to wear down in the 4th Q vs the really good teams. As you can see in the clips the OLM are not "working" very hard creating holes because the holes are already there. They are simply "running" defenders for just a few seconds. Maintaining the natural alleys the D alignment is giving us while really "quick" backs are hitting these alleys. This is by design. I tell em....no need to spend a ton of energy playing OL...save it for when you go in to play DL. That has worked out VERY well.

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December 29, 2015 11:16 am  

Beast was foot to foot for us. Never trusted our mmps, even with all the coaching up we did with them to cover 2-3 foot split. Ours ended up more like a flying wedge. It worked so we left it alone.


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mahonz
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December 29, 2015 11:24 am  

Beast was foot to foot for us. Never trusted out mmps, even with all the coaching up we did with them to cover 2-3 foot split. Ours ended up like a flying wedge. It worked so we left it alone.

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michealmyers
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December 29, 2015 11:56 am  

Yeah that is true, guess it just depends what kinda team you have if you can run wider splits or not. 

question for you guys running Beast, what blocking rules are you using?  I ran G.O.D last year and thinking of switching to G.O.O.D this year, or maybe as you say Mahonz.....BLOCK SOMEBODY!! 


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