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ThunderFootball
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November 22, 2019 6:19 am  

What about a section on how to teach/coach, not what to teach/coach?

Really it's something that DP has been stressing all these years to those willing to take his advice.  I just read an article on how we should be attempting to coach like we're 20 years in the future instead of using methods/principles 20 years old (or more).  But before you can do so you need to understand how people learn.


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Wing-n-It
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November 22, 2019 7:36 am  

What about a section on how to teach/coach, not what to teach/coach?

This is what most coaches are lacking. When a dad/coach tells you that he "knows" football when if you try to help, he may be correct but he may not posses the skills to teach kids.
I had a dad coach on my team that played college football and he assumed he was a better coach than I and I should allow him to coach because I never played more that freshman football in HS and he was a college stud.
After the 5th "But this is the way we did it in college" I let him go. I told him numerous times college players and youth players are not the same. The game is kinda the same but the players are vastly different and needs to be coached different. Their motivations are way different. The list goes on and on.
I told him when they get to college he can have at it.

I can help with that section as well.

When I started coaching youth football I had no clue about line techs, or techniques for linemen, what a load block is, heck I didn't even know what the wedge was. Its now my staple.
I knew how to teach/ coach but didn't know the subject being taught. That's what I came here for.

A DW tam had bludgeoned my team to death, they had to be on the other sidelines laughing at my like a scene from Waterboy holding a coaching for idiots book.
It was my 3rd game. I haven't left this place since.

Sorry for the long story but I never really said why I am here or my backround.

I have shared the aggression story when we got out physicalled (if that's a word) and I had a lengthy talk with DP, but I had already been here for a bit.

I was, like others have stated, a little embarrassed to be here at first, You guys were on another level. Intimidated, nervous to post in fear of getting my head publically ripped off.
But I weathered the storm, and here I am about 15 years later.
Still don't know as much as I should though.

But then again, when do we ever?

2 Things my offense will always have is a Wing and a Wedge


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coachmiket
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November 22, 2019 7:45 am  

This is what most coaches are lacking. When a dad/coach tells you that he "knows" football when if you try to help, he may be correct but he may not posses the skills to teach kids.
I had a dad coach on my team that played college football and he assumed he was a better coach than I and I should allow him to coach because I never played more that freshman football in HS and he was a college stud.
After the 5th "But this is the way we did it in college" I let him go. I told him numerous times college players and youth players are not the same. The game is kinda the same but the players are vastly different and needs to be coached different. Their motivations are way different. The list goes on and on.
I told him when they get to college he can have at it.

So true.  And I love the idea of having a section on HOW.  The issue I find these days is that it's so rare to find a coach that you can have an honest discussion that includes sharing ideas to better each other, as opposed to just trying to sound like the smarter coach.  It's annoying.  I talk to coaches because I want to hear about their views on what they do, how they do it and why they do it that way.  I don't care how many basketball vocabulary terms you know.


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CoachDP
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November 22, 2019 8:19 am  

The issue I find these days is that it's so rare to find a coach that you can have an honest discussion that includes sharing ideas to better each other, as opposed to just trying to sound like the smarter coach.

Wow, this.  ^

—Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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CoachDP
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November 22, 2019 8:31 am  

What about a section on how to teach/coach, not what to teach/coach?

Really it's something that DP has been stressing all these years to those willing to take his advice.

One issue is that so many don’t understand that knowing how to teach is the most crucial dynamic of effective coaching.  Because the game is already so poorly taught on so many levels, and those doing the teaching often had bad teachers who coached them.  And they simply regurgitate the same bad coaching because that’s how they were taught.  (Think of how many cliches coaches throw around without accompanying them with any teaching.) They think that having played the game will suffice, or that watching it on TV gives them all the knowledge they need, in order to coach.

—Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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ThunderFootball
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November 22, 2019 8:34 am  

Being open minded and the willingness to get better separates good coaches from great coaches.  We expect/tell good players to do those 'extra' things to become great players.  What have their coaches done?


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ThunderFootball
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November 22, 2019 8:51 am  

Speaking with a co-worker today about players ability to 'read' the play and how they are far more valuable than an athlete with better skill set but less ability to 'read' the plays.

Convo shifted to how some players 'look' great in try outs and then lay an egg when the season comes along.  It's not the first time I've heard this statement.  The question I posed is "Then why does that happen?"  It happens bc your drills at tryouts have no transfer to the real thing.  The drills look great, players look great doing the drill but when it comes to the real thing they aren't great.  If it's not game like then how can you truly evaluate them?


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Wing-n-It
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November 22, 2019 9:34 am  

Speaking with a co-worker today about players ability to 'read' the play and how they are far more valuable than an athlete with better skill set but less ability to 'read' the plays.

Exactly, the more athletic the player the further they will be away from the ball when they realized they mis-diagnosed the play  🙂

2 Things my offense will always have is a Wing and a Wedge


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Wing-n-It
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November 22, 2019 9:44 am  

But before you can do so you need to understand how people learn.

I missed this part the first time.

You are very correct. Being able to identify the different types of learners/ students/ players that they are gives a huge input to what they respond to. Even bigger the teacher/ coach needs to understand what learner type they themselves are to understand why they teach a certain way because we tend to teach to our learner styles.

2 Things my offense will always have is a Wing and a Wedge


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terrypjohnson
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November 22, 2019 12:16 pm  

What have their coaches done?

I'd like this post 1,000 times if I could!!

Sadly, this is a huge problem in my league. Everyone always knows EVERYTHING. Their way is ALWAYS better than "those tards in the blogosphere" as one assistant coach put it. Down here, if you're not running Wing-T and the 6-2, then according to these folks, you know nothing.

I take the opposite approach. After winning a division title in 2018, I signed up here, and started learning. Thanks to the Killer Bee, I won a few games that I should have lost this year. I can't wait to implement the Double Wing next season.

I really hope this "How to teach" section becomes a thing. From my conversations with Coach DP and the material I purchased from Coach Wilkins, it's apparent to me that there are people that explain things *MUCH BETTER* than I do. I want to improve in this area, because the kids deserve it.

Coach Terry

Fight 'em until Hell freezes over, then fight 'em on the ice -- Dutch Meyer


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Beansko82
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November 22, 2019 1:40 pm  

Agree 100% with this idea.  Only thing I would add is to consider making it a sticky in the newbie section if/when one is created.


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acsmith7062
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November 22, 2019 5:47 pm  

I would love to see a a How to Teach section!

-Chad

"You fail all the time, but you aren't a failure until you start blaming someone else."   O.A. "Bum" Phillips


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ZACH
 ZACH
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November 23, 2019 8:52 am  

The most common topics i see are fundamental:

-blocking
-tackling
- aggression
-mpp management

The rest of this scheme non sense always comes down to one of the above.

I can explain it to you, I can't understand if for you.


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bdjackson
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November 23, 2019 12:22 pm  

I’m actively posing this question on our Facebook page.

-Brian

Being Capable, first begins with being Confident.


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terrypjohnson
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November 23, 2019 1:17 pm  

I’m actively posing this question on our Facebook page.

-Brian

I saw that... I didn't comment on FB because you guys already know what I think 🙂

Fight 'em until Hell freezes over, then fight 'em on the ice -- Dutch Meyer


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