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bignose
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February 5, 2013 10:25 am  

And you wonder why coaches drink?

You rush a miracle man, you get rotten miracles!


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PSLCOACHROB
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February 5, 2013 12:32 pm  

Big,
  I was involved in that conversation and I don't think either of us want to rehash that one. I think you need to look long and hard at what situations you actually may come across. These little things can kill you. Sometimes all you need is a quick conversation. Others take a few minutes of practice time. I think much of these situations were understood by older generations due to the fact that I think we watched much more football when we were younger. There situational things for us are usually little things we go over on bus rides, before games or just conversations with players to the side like your qb with the clock killing spike. Much of this situational stuff is special teams based so much of it falls into what we go over anyway. I would never spend a bunch of time on any of it though and much of it is a one time deal.


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bignose
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February 5, 2013 3:14 pm  

In addition to the Victory Spike play.....
Several years ago there was a similar situation in a HS game. The defense is up by 1. The defender intercepts the ball in the end zone on the last play of the game as time runs out, and throws the ball up in joy. The official rules illegal forward pass-in the end zone-ruling: safety. Game over.
I believe that this was in the case book several years ago.

I think I need another beer......

Y'know, I went back and looked at the Victory Death Spike play on the YouTube post.
I think the refs screwed the pooch.
Unless they were playing in a State that doesn't follow Federation rules, what Texas, and Mass? It appears that the ball crossed the goal line on the long field goal attempt. If so, the ball should have been blown dead, and the game should have ended.
Don't assume that the refs know the rule either.

Who'd a thunk that there is such a thing as a one point safety? 37 years in this game, and there's always something!

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CoachJohn
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February 5, 2013 7:02 pm  

In the video I see the ball being caught in front of the near pylons, leading me to believe the ball never crossed into the endzone.

"One who gains strength by overcoming obstacles possesses the only strength which can overcome adversity." - Albert Schweitzer


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bignose
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February 6, 2013 9:23 am  

Here is another situation I bet you don't cover with your kids.
You have just scored a safety. The team kicking to you elects to punt the ball rather than to kick from a tee.
The ball being punted is a live ball after it travels 10 yards and must be fielded or it can be recovered by the kicking team just like a "normal" kickoff.
We had a situation where a kid thought that since it was "punted" short he did not have to field the ball, so he let it go. Kicking team winds up with an onside kick with a 3 second hang time that goes 15 yards.
oooops.
Coaches fault for not reminding them as the kick return team went out.

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CoachJohn
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February 6, 2013 9:24 am  

Here is another situation I bet you don't cover with your kids.
You have just scored a safety. The team kicking to you elects to punt the ball rather than to kick from a tee.
The ball being punted is a live ball after it travels 10 yards and must be fielded or it can be recovered by the kicking team just like a "normal" kickoff.
We had a situation where a kid thought that since it was "punted" short he did not have to field the ball, so he let it go. Kicking team winds up with an onside kick with a 3 second hang time that goes 15 yards.
oooops.
Coaches fault for not reminding them as the kick return team went out.

That's a good one, I can see that being used at the youth level for a quick turnover.

"One who gains strength by overcoming obstacles possesses the only strength which can overcome adversity." - Albert Schweitzer


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February 6, 2013 9:38 am  

Here is another situation I bet you don't cover with your kids.
You have just scored a safety. The team kicking to you elects to punt the ball rather than to kick from a tee.
The ball being punted is a live ball after it travels 10 yards and must be fielded or it can be recovered by the kicking team just like a "normal" kickoff.
We had a situation where a kid thought that since it was "punted" short he did not have to field the ball, so he let it go. Kicking team winds up with an onside kick with a 3 second hang time that goes 15 yards.
oooops.
Coaches fault for not reminding them as the kick return team went out.

A team from our program was down 4 points or so with 30 seconds left a couple of years ago.  They were on their own 3 and got sacked in the end zone.  They never even knew they could onside it.  They punted it and that was the end of that.

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February 6, 2013 10:17 am  

A team from our program was down 4 points or so with 30 seconds left a couple of years ago.  They were on their own 3 and got sacked in the end zone.  They never even knew they could onside it.  They punted it and that was the end of that.

I didn't know that 🙁


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Bob Goodman
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February 7, 2013 7:38 pm  

This one calls for some awareness & quick judgment on the ballcarrier's part.  On 1st or 2nd down if you're running near the sideline that has the sticks, and it looks like you can get a little past the 1st down marker but not much, take the ball out slightly short of the marker to produce a short yardage situation on the next down rather than a 1st down.


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Dimson
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February 7, 2013 7:40 pm  

This one calls for some awareness & quick judgment on the ballcarrier's part.  On 1st or 2nd down if you're running near the sideline that has the sticks, and it looks like you can get a little past the 1st down marker but not much, take the ball out slightly short of the marker to produce a short yardage situation on the next down rather than a 1st down.

Or if you were trying to get the first down you could fake fumble the ball past the first down marker.


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