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It really depends on the individual circumstances. If we are down & just getting physically beat, or are down by our own mistakes.

In a State Championship game in 1992, we were down 16-0 in the first qtr. Our coaches were flipping out, & our players had the blank stare on their faces. It was the first time they had been down all season. I gathered everyone around before the KO & told them simply " We got them right where we want them". We marched 80 yds in 5 plays & it was on. We won 54-16.

We trailed at the Nationals 14-8 at 1/2 time. We had given up a fumble return & a pick 6. First I had to calm the coaches, who had gotten over excited, then made the players laugh. We won that one 38-14.

IMHO it's about why are you down that determines what you will do. In our offense we simply take what they give us, so if there's 8-9 box then yes we will throw. If they are playing wide we go inside. It doesn't change how I look at the game.

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In a h.s. game I am still trying to come back at that point.  It's only three scores and there is a lot of time.  We will increase tempo of play calling and if we may go no huddle - definitely in the 4th. 

In a youth game (for us) we are in running clock and slaughter rules are in effect. 

However, it is  still only 3 scores so I will still try to win - though I hate that a team can still win after the other team was forced to sub however briefly.  Never actually been on the other side of that.  If we get the ball back after the 3rd score and they haven't had to sub backfield yet - I will attempt all stops to score on next drive.   

If I fail, I may throw in the towel because they will be forced to sub their backfield. 

I would say if it was 4th quarter I would probably start subbing kids around at certain positions.    I would not send all 11 to stop the run or stop covering their wideouts.    I don't like it when teams do that to me.  So it would probably be hypocritical to do it to them.


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I agree there is huge difference in clock & slaughter or mercy rules. I also still think how you are down makes a difference. If you are being dominated in every phase of the game, it's very different then making mistakes. Did they drive the ball down our throats? Did we give up big plays? All this has to come into consideration.

That all being said, I have seen a few comeback from 20 points down. Maybe 2 over 35 years. I know I have never been up by more then 20 & lost. In youth football the most I have ever been down is 16, & we came back & won. In HS probably 22-24, & we lost.

So it's a difficult question. I always say you have to have a plan for everything, & I usually have a plan for being down 20 at the half. That plan is molded by the factors I have spoken about. I also think you have to have a good gauge of your team. I never want my players to know what to expect from me at 1/2 time. If we are up & it's close I maybe all calm. I really try to take stock of them. You need to understand that as a coach. If they are tight, make them loosen up & play. Correct what needs to be corrected but be upbeat & positive. Breed confidence they can feed off. If we are up big, & they have fat heads, stick a pin in 'em & bring them back to earth. I usually rip them at this point focusing on every little mistake. This only happens if you can keep your head & know your team. As a rule at 1/2 time I always gather with the coaches giving the team a brief minute alone. We go over what adjustments & personel changes we need to make. As we walk up to the team or enter the locker room, I then gauge their attitudes.

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I think it depends on how we got there.

IF its just a series of mistakes and they havent really defended us well, we have moved the ball and not capitalized then its not likely to effect us much. Id say that Id be on my guys to get into and out of the huddle faster.  (something we need to emphasize more in practice because we look stupid loafing when we are trailing). 

if we have been completely stuffed , going nowwhere we are probably going to mix in play action pass a whole lot more and take a few more shots.   

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Coaches,
Say (hypothetically), your down 0-24 in the 3rd quarter.  Does this affect your overall play calling?

I have read many of articles where most discuss remaining patient and playing your game, but with the youth games having such short quarters (8 mins, 10 mins) do have enough time to do so?

Hell yes it does... you have to score and score fast with 1Q left to play, you  need 5 scores, and atleast 4 of them have to be TD's ....which means that you also have to get the ball back at least 5 times as well..if an opponent jumps out to an early lead, then I say stay with your game plan, but in the 3rd you better have a little fire under your ass to put up points . 

But you also cant ignore what your opponent is doing defensively .. like sitting in a prevent

The clock isnt your buddy in these situations, and if your opponent is smart at all theyre keeping the ball on the ground to keep that thing rolling

So you are going to have to do what you can to preserve every second .. therefore your game plan may have to switch more to pass than run. 

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It doesn't change my play calling, it changes my attitude. Riding the kids whose heads are already hanging will land you in quicksand. Get them back to having fun, and your original game plan will begin to work.

Let me rephrase that... I might throw in a special call that the kids love just to get them excited again. Other than that, business as usual.


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We were down by 26 in the third quarter of our championship game in 2012 and didn't change our play calling one bit and ended up scoring 48 points.  Of course the other team scored 65 and we lost, lol.  We were down 14-0 and came back to take the lead 16-14.  Then we fell behind 42-16 in the 3rd quarter then rallied to within 42-32 and 49-40, at which time I was certain we were going to win.  Of course, we didn't - final score 65-48.

Also, we were a wide open spread team anyway, so we didn't need to change anything to be able to score quickly.  Our QB was Braxton Burmeister, who is currently splitting time as the starting QB at Va Tech, so that helped as well.  It was a hell of a game - a few defensive adjustments and we could have won, but our opponent was loaded - as good as we were, we probably didn't deserve to win.

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Posted by: @coachj

Coaches,
Say (hypothetically), your down 0-24 in the 3rd quarter.  Does this affect your overall play calling?

I have read many of articles where most discuss remaining patient and playing your game, but with the youth games having such short quarters (8 mins, 10 mins) do have enough time to do so?

If I were down 0-12, that would affect my play calling strategically.  Down 0-24, I'm no longer thinking strategically, I'm thinking opportunity to test players, positions, and plays against good, live opposition.


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Depending on when we get to down 24-0...  If early, we try to get the kids calmed down and focused.  But, might go to it late in 3rd but not likely before that...  

note: our HC is the DC, so... 

be quick, but don't hurry, no panic - we want to be relaxed.  

 

TWO Minute Offense:

We use only the one pass pattern combo, keeps it simple for the 3rd and 4th graders we coach.  They pick it up easily and love practicing it.  Once they know it, it takes about 10 minutes / wk.  We haven’t needed it in yrs, but kinda keep it in our back pocket just in case. 

With a right handed Q.  Bunch right, TE left, FB behind Q, Q under C. 

Calls:  Red, White, Blue, Stars, Stripes.  Either by Coach or QB.   No Huddle.  Same patterns for Bunch, colors indicate primary receiver.  They don't have to be called in order, watch the Defense and find who is going to open. 

 

A receiver:  = 1x 1 yd off LOS outside OT; on 5th  step – drive off inside foot hard square out route.  Head to sidelines, gain what yards can, get out of bounds and stop the clock.  If come to sidelines before ball is thrown, turn upfield.  Try to get defender to chase you

B recever: =  On LOS  1 yd wider than the A.   Run a deep square out – depth determined by QB arm strength.  Intent to get the DB’s attention try to make him run with you. Gain what yards can, get out of bounds and stop the clock

C receiver:  =  1 x 1 outside and off LOS from B.   Run 4 yds (or linebacker depth) plant outside foot on 4th step, hard square in.   on 3rd step stop and wave hands over head like a madman.   Get the LB’s attention, make everyone in stadium think you are primary receiver.    At LB depth either get collided with by LB’er and fall down – we will be screaming for illegal contact and try to get a flag… (we rarely work the Refs, but…) its not a pick they are hitting/ knocking down, our receiver!  Or, force the LB to adjust his route to avoid you.   Intent = to keep flat open.  After bumping w/ LB release hard to outside trailing the A receiver.   If Flat is covered, A should be clearing Defender out.   Gain what yards can, get out of bounds and stop the clock.

NOTE:  C is usually the 3rd choice in the progression, but the one most likely to break big and score. 

 A & C are about one stride difference in depth and crossing just far enough apart to miss one another.  Perfection would be to hear a ‘click’ at their shoulder pads tap each other in passing. 

B is trying to get the deep defender’s attention and clear out the CB from the Flat.  Should also be creating a visual obstruction for deep defender as to what is going on with the crossing A & B.   Shouldn’t be a problem for the Defenders, but they tend to be bothered by such.

TE:  opposite the Bunch.   Hard step inside to pass block, force the defender outside – hard.  We are setting you up for a screen pass.   When Screen is called, stay with the DE for 3 steps, before releasing him deep and outside… turn to QB and be ready for screen pass.  No Screen called, stay with your man.  Score or get out of bounds.

FB:  Pass block roll 2-3 steps to right, looking for outside rush.  We are setting up a Draw (Trap blocking) for you.  Score or get out of bounds.

 

QB: Roll behind the FB and pass the ball.  Look to called receiver 1st, but throw to an open man.   Be prepared to pull up for screen, or to hand-off on draw, when they are called.   If there is a lot of grass, fake a pass, gain what yards can, get out of bounds and stop the clock.

Call from LOS (or as ball is being set):

  • Red = A is primary receiver.
  • White = B is primary reciver
  • Blue = C is primary reciver.
  • Stars = TE screen
  • Stripes = FB draw.

 

It is un-patriotic for the Defense to try to oppose the Red, White and Blue. 

This post was modified 2 weeks ago by Coyote

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Bob Goodman
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Ha, I just caught on that this thread started in 2013, and that my opinion changed in the years since!  My 2013 answer was variable depending on factors, while my 2021 answer picked out the likeliest and went with that.  Having coached on teams that were dominant for several years thru 2013 may have colored my thinking.


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Lots of experience in this Dept. the last 3 years. 

I just try to keep things light and try not yell at anyone. 

Not much else I can do.

We got beat like 125-0 a few seasons ago. We had fun experimenting. The opposing Coach is a friend and kept asking if things were cool...it was...my ineptitude was not his problem.  

Funny thing in that game. Playing a QB with some talent but scared to death. A rookie. We had a walk in TD pass to our TE....QB looked at the wide open TE to his left  then immediately looked right and threw it to the CB who scored a TD. 

I had to smile. Kid had pee running down his leg. Im convinced he had no clue what color jerseys we were wearing. 😎 

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In my opinion if you panic you often make things worse.  If you haven't really practiced something a lot it is hard to expect 8-10 year-olds to be able to adjust like that.  If I do have something working I try to stay with that and maybe throw some unbalanced stuff at them.  I am trying figure out why we can't generate any offense and also how to plug the holes on defense.


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