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I'm investigating the air raid, and I'm trying to understand half slide. Half slide would be where half of the line man use slide protection (tackle, guard, and center). The other two man up, inside out, big on big. If there's a sixth or seventh man in the box, then that's "the quarter back's man". If that sixth man blitzes, then you need to pick him up by either brining someone in the box to block that man, or throwing the ball quickly. 

I've noticed that a lot of people who explain the pass blocking scheme don't bother explaining anything abut the sixth man. And they pretend like the QB can simply go through their reads quickly. Why is that? Are they that confident in their quick game? Is the RB flare supposed to just be open in those scenarios? 

Basically my question is, what would you do in air raid in the event that they blitz six and play press coverage?

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Posted by: @coach-kyle Is the RB flare supposed to just be open in those scenarios? 

Yes.

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@coachdp Yeah I went down quite a youtube hole. It's starting to make sense. It feels pretty tough for kids my age 😆 but last year we ran jet sweep.. and most of the games we could literally just keep sweeping right and left.

I'm going to use a camp day to test out our ability to run rocket. If we can't run that then idk about the offense. 

I basically see rocket as the main play out of 2x2. QB GT counter as the other run play. Then y stick, y corner, and 4 verts for quick game. I have a lot of confidence we could hit curls and GT counter off rocket action. Tunnel and bubble screens would also be good. Then maybe mesh with with speed outs and tags if we want to try and beat anyone deep.

Using half slide protection. Quick game would use half slide with auto throw to the tb if blitzed. I expect many people to gun for the qb so that would make the flare route the most important in the offense. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by: @coach-kyle

I'm investigating the air raid, and I'm trying to understand half slide. Half slide would be where half of the line man use slide protection (tackle, guard, and center). The other two man up, inside out, big on big. If there's a sixth or seventh man in the box, then that's "the quarter back's man". If that sixth man blitzes, then you need to pick him up by either brining someone in the box to block that man, or throwing the ball quickly. 

I've noticed that a lot of people who explain the pass blocking scheme don't bother explaining anything abut the sixth man. And they pretend like the QB can simply go through their reads quickly. Why is that? Are they that confident in their quick game? Is the RB flare supposed to just be open in those scenarios? 

Basically my question is, what would you do in air raid in the event that they blitz six and play press coverage?

I never understood the value of half slide because you must task a RB to protect A Gap since that is where the bubble will form. Translation. He is going to get in the way of the QB. So I always coached full slide and sent the RB to the backside of the slide so he is immediately out of the way. Full slide is a very kid friendly scheme as well. 

Study all of the spread Offenses. There is nothing unique about the Air Raid other than Mumme and Leach sprinkled some holy water on it and gave it a name. Same with the WCO that was developed by Walsh who was inspired by Gregg who learned from Gilman. Same deal with Davis with his Run n Shoot that Spurrier made ultra famous and called it the Fun n Gun. 

So I suggest you study them all and then take what you like because they all have a few nuances and make it your own. If half sliding makes no sense....next!  👍 😎

 

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@mahonz It seems like there's 2 reasons. First it's big on big. Second if that line backer doesn't blitz, you have a release valve.

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There is a little more to it than who slides and what not. I have done both full and half. I've also f'd it up almost every way possible. I started to type our rules and realized it was more than I cared to type. If you are really interested in it you can contact me and I'd be happy to share our stuff with you. The rules we use now is the best I have been a part of. 

The tricky part is how you decide to identify who has who and the way you communicate it. I would highly recommend establishing a rule for the point. He will be the one who blows it up if you don't.


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@mahonz It seems like there's 2 reasons. First it's big on big. Second if that line backer doesn't blitz, you have a release valve.

True....I just never understood the value of teaching it. ROI kinda thing. Maybe J Potter can shed some light. 

 

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I prefer 1/2 to full but I can understand why some don’t. Also…my experience with full slide was also in  program that didn’t know shit about pass pro or anything else OL related so….there’s that  

I don’t like the matchup of our RB’s on DE’s. We see lots of big athletic DE’s and that’s a lot for a back to deal with in that kind of space and that angle. Most HS ILB’s aren’t as big and athletic as DE’s. 

To get the back out of the way in half slide he has to attack the LOS…which he should be doing anyway for several reasons. Getting to the blitzer at the LOS gets him out of the way, gives him the best shot to win vs blitzer, and that hides his escape into the flat should the blitzer not show. Our RB’s get replaced if they can’t do their job in pass pro. 


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I prefer 1/2 to full but I can understand why some don’t. Also…my experience with full slide was also in  program that didn’t know shit about pass pro or anything else OL related so….there’s that  

I don’t like the matchup of our RB’s on DE’s. We see lots of big athletic DE’s and that’s a lot for a back to deal with in that kind of space and that angle. Most HS ILB’s aren’t as big and athletic as DE’s. 

To get the back out of the way in half slide he has to attack the LOS…which he should be doing anyway for several reasons. Getting to the blitzer at the LOS gets him out of the way, gives him the best shot to win vs blitzer, and that hides his escape into the flat should the blitzer not show. Our RB’s get replaced if they can’t do their job in pass pro. 

Good points. The time I really took a deep dive into this I had a bully boy at RB. Probably a 4 season run.  I can see how a smaller type would struggle. My bully boy was in the QB's way more than he wasn't when he was tasked with the A Gap. 

It became a ROI for me much like my Sally experiments when I was dabbling heavy into the Wing T. That was a total fail for me. 

Going mega splits for the last umpteen seasons pretty much put multiple schemes to rest for me. It all became Big on Big but you need athletes with some ass.... but we were constantly looking for the best set of rules to identify the fronts. Pointing pre snap really helped. 😎

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