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LPcoachchuck
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Unfortunately, our O-line always ends up with weaker players at those positions(except PG last season) which should be fine for the spread. We have only taught GOD(GOO) and I am familiar with On-Gap---what would be the primary difference in teaching SAB blocking? Do they still block away from the play? What about vs a 4-3 or  3-4 defense? Thanks.

The SAB blocking is away from playside with backside tackle kicking out playside DE or EMLOS.  The DVD's explain what to do with a 4 man front but don't think he covers the 3-4. 

I ended up using the DVD's and BC's stuff for playing pitch and catch more than anything else but having a good run game out of this is important if you want to truly run spread.  Remember that speed kills and if you can pull off zone read or option as well your running game will be tough. 

If I were smarter I would have incorporated some "Beast" formation into this but you live and learn, right.


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Make sure you practice shotgun snaps.That's most important part of the spread offense or any Offense that requires shotgun snap. We played alot of teams that tried to run spread or shotgun snap and our DE were in the back field disrupting plays because of poor(low n high) snaps.


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I dabbled with BC's youth spread playbook this year enough to know I can't dabble and be successful.  Had I committed to it 100% from day one with my first O, I probably could have run it, as I had three guys who could catch and run, two guys who could throw and pound it, a kid who could fly and a halfway decent line that could at least stymie their guy.  The problem with dabbling was that the execution wasn't as sharp as it needed to be, and I didn't have enough in the toolbox to counter everything the D threw at me.  For instance, we ran into a DE that was quicker/faster than anyone we had, and he just destroyed us as I couldn't figure out how to beat him.  He beat every one on one block with his speed, and I couldn't figure out how to double him out of the spread.  And with a 5 man line and the shotgun snap, it was too tight to run away from him.  With time and planning, yes, I could have had the plays and adjustments available to beat him, but not when dabbling.


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The SAB blocking is away from playside with backside tackle kicking out playside DE or EMLOS.  The DVD's explain what to do with a 4 man front but don't think he covers the 3-4. 

I ended up using the DVD's and BC's stuff for playing pitch and catch more than anything else but having a good run game out of this is important if you want to truly run spread.  Remember that speed kills and if you can pull off zone read or option as well your running game will be tough. 

If I were smarter I would have incorporated some "Beast" formation into this but you live and learn, right.

nothing changes against the 3-4 or 5-2.

the only changes we made were formational.

along with the addition of "power"  and a pro set.

but for the visual:

                                                      FS
                                                b2      b1                SS
                    c      b3        T1        N        T2 b4                    C 
                    x                      lt  lg  C  rg  rt                          z
                              y                                                w
                                          fb        qb

typical 3-4 set with cover 3. vs trap right.  This is vs a two gap tackle team with b4 (olb strong with a rush call)
LT- Pull and Kick (b4)
LG- track left (T1)
C- Track Left (b2)
RG- Track Left (N)
RT- Track Left (b1)

W,X,Y,Z- Push vertical stalk block
FB- counter slide left then attack RT (see butt of tackle make cut)
QB- Receive snap mesh with FB, Fake trap keep Pass

** the reality is your only gonna pick up ONE mlb but with the mesh fake and good play calling those ILBs will play flat footed.

I can explain it to you, I can't understand if for you.


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also heres a link to the Air Raid stuff

http://fastandfuriousfootball.com/highschooloffense/Texas%20Tech%20Offense.pdf

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nothing changes against the 3-4 or 5-2.

the only changes we made were formational.

along with the addition of "power"  and a pro set.

but for the visual:

                                                      FS
                                                b2      b1                SS
                    c      b3        T1        N        T2 b4                    C 
                    x                      lt  lg  C  rg  rt                          z
                              y                                                w
                                          fb        qb

typical 3-4 set with cover 3. vs trap right.  This is vs a two gap tackle team with b4 (olb strong with a rush call)
LT- Pull and Kick (b4)
LG- track left (T1)
C- Track Left (b2)
RG- Track Left (N)
RT- Track Left (b1)

W,X,Y,Z- Push vertical stalk block
FB- counter slide left then attack RT (see butt of tackle make cut)
QB- Receive snap mesh with FB, Fake trap keep Pass

** the reality is your only gonna pick up ONE mlb but with the mesh fake and good play calling those ILBs will play flat footed.

Who accounts for T2?


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good point...well if he plays like a two gapper would i think he would be the Kick out instead of the OLB to that side.  It wouldnt be a great play vs this front but i beleive ive seen this against me and i didnt have a problem, the OLb almost always comes in TOO HIGH and we run underneat him.

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theres a few adjustments here again this is assuming they are predominant cover 3 team with 4 man pressure.

Ram:

                                                      FS
                                                b2      b1            ss
                    c      b3        T1        N        T2 b4    C 
                    x                      lt  lg  C  rg  rt  z
                              y                                                w
                                          fb        qb

Pro: here trap right with W running a bubble route, or run trap right with option fake left with W which should bring the b4 up high.  IF b4 is a problem and the ilbs are good it would be "pro dubba bubba draw" haha love that play its not in the book i posted but a series we installed for the championship game
                        FS
                                                b2      b1                SS
                    c      b3        T1        N        T2 b4                    C 
                    x                      lt  lg  C  rg  rt                          z
                              y                                               
                                          fb        qb        W

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In the first example you could run QB trap left with the RB crossing the face of the QB and picking up whatever shows on the backside.  Flow will get the backers going and bubble will hold the others


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The material is solid. The way he explains each concept made a whole lot of sense. The thing about the series is that gives you options depending on your personnel. The great part is the game tape.

JOhn

Expert in "BRAIN DEAD DEFENSE" and the "CAVEMAN SPREAD"


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ive been getting a lot of requests about the spread i ran with my kids, folks who do not want to buy all the dvd's as my assistants did or those who wanted me to update the Spread i posted back in March with my blocking rule adjustment to SAB.  So im going to go through each facet of our offensive attack in the 2009 season.  The first installment was that of the Trap series.  Again this is not my own creation and i referance so in the opening slides.  I took information i learned from the S.A.B slide show from Jack Gregory, formation Cues from Clark, along with some run and shoot info.

The great thing about the spread is if you have an imagination you can do it in the spread.  For instance we started using the PRO because teams would key the opposite side of the FB which was a good read because our QB was  a sissy who couldnt run.  The qb i wanted was our FB and the FB i wanted was our wing so we werent left with out options by any means, but this killed the key as in pro we could run the trap series in any direction and fake bubble screen, counter, or option with the other guy.  Put a guy in motion and you have a wild backfield action.

So attached is what ive done so far, i plan to go over the speed sweep attack, TE packages, "dubba bubba", our empty set (our wildcat i suppose), along with some passing concepts i gained from Air raid.  In reality you could run an entire game with the trap series and flood pass.

Hope you enjoy, feedback is appreciated.

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Big Nut

Glad to see you back in action after a long season.

We ran about 80% Empty this year but were a pass first team. I discovered some more deadly jet / jet reverse stuff from under center. I'd like to see your Empty ideas.

I found the Dart stuff that everyone runs now a little sketchy if you were up against a 50 front with no TE. Did you ever have issues with that?

Everyone is all intrigued with Oregon now...just like WVU then...but when it comes to run stop first youth defenses I found it really didnt work all that well. Thoughts?

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we used flood concepts to start, then combo routes.  Im not a fan of the dart pattern at all...we used very simple combo hitch, post which came into a hook and lateral ahah, slant long, seam corner nothing really fancy

ide pray all day long for a 50 front it was the easiest to block for my O line. 

We started to experiment with Run and shoot ideas but ran out of time ahah

Well most teams at the youth level are indeed  run stop first but i will say it didnt matter what front your were in we had success only thing that beat us was better teams with more talent.  We did start to Pick on corners, we would find matchups we like so it might be 0-0 going into the second quarter but we showed you as many formations as possible and we tried to find the weak corner or LB.  Bubble pass and hitch patterns are your freinds if you need to loosen up the defense. That and the draw series in 5 wide with playaction is killer.

The better the run stop defense i think the more creative you need to get in the spread formation,motion, shifting, cant just line up in base and go at it as much as you would like to.

4-4 teams gave us more fits then any because they could align well with no disadvantage this is when we started more TE sets and looked like a broke guys single wing haha. and went into a lot of quads and eventually 5wide or what we called the "wild bull" (our mascot is a longhorn)

not sure if you have seen this but this was my team in 2009.

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we used flood concepts to start, then combo routes.  Im not a fan of the dart pattern at all...we used very simple combo hitch, post which came into a hook and lateral ahah, slant long, seam corner nothing really fancy

ide pray all day long for a 50 front it was the easiest to block for my O line. 

We started to experiment with Run and shoot ideas but ran out of time ahah

Well most teams at the youth level are indeed  run stop first but i will say it didnt matter what front your were in we had success only thing that beat us was better teams with more talent.  We did start to Pick on corners, we would find matchups we like so it might be 0-0 going into the second quarter but we showed you as many formations as possible and we tried to find the weak corner or LB.  Bubble pass and hitch patterns are your freinds if you need to loosen up the defense. That and the draw series in 5 wide with playaction is killer.

The better the run stop defense i think the more creative you need to get in the spread formation,motion, shifting, cant just line up in base and go at it as much as you would like to.

4-4 teams gave us more fits then any because they could align well with no disadvantage this is when we started more TE sets and looked like a broke guys single wing haha. and went into a lot of quads and eventually 5wide or what we called the "wild bull" (our mascot is a longhorn)

not sure if you have seen this but this was my team in 2009.

Big

My fault.

When I said Dart I meant the two back shotgun read read mesh that all of these teams are doing. Against a 50 front the QB would always be giving because he would always have a face full of DE because the DT can crash. The DT away from the TB now ignors the QB and folds down on the TB.

Against the 30 or 40 front then you have the clear read and a good play. Against the 50 front you leave two unblocked backside...one can now take the QB and one can crash on the TB....is what I meant.

Sorry.

So since the 30 and 40 fronts are probably the least common...is the Dart or Read Read that WVU made famous a good idea at the youth level?

And yes I have seen your film. Good stuff !

Coach Mike

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im not a as seasoned a youth coach as much as say DC is, coltscoach, or anyone of the big names here however the "dart" you speak of i see as a double read mesh much like an option mesh.  We always pre called give (trap) or keep (trap keep). Trap keep worked very well even with a woose of a running QB (we mostly did this to keep the back side DE slowed down if he was fast on the edge) the def end you speak of now away from the give side is being trapped and the FB is now blocking the Backside if he sees pressure.  The double read we eventually gave to the QB after he had a lot of practice acually "reading" every time we ran trap left or right hed come back for the next play and say what he saw and he would then get some coaching on the sideline while we get into the next play.

My opinion on this is if you dont have a threat make the hand off as easy as possible perhaps after the hand off fake a passing motion (like Favre does on draws) this works just as well, the qb is more critical to this easy hand off then  because he could very well draw safety/de/olb attention.  So giving a false read to these players is a must for this to work optimally in my opinion. 

When we did play a team with good defensive ends we went into a lot of PRO, where we would trap then fake option opposite, fake counter opposite, fake bubble to or away from play side just to give the DE something to think about... we could also keep the Right tackle on trap left on SAB rule and use the WB in motion accross the formation as the kick out, we called it whiskey power left the rule we got from DCWT using the Wing as the kick out and using the power cue.

we also had a midline play just like DCWT, so we had multiple looks to give the DE.

Long and short about the DART or MESH as i would call it, if your QB can run ide say its a must and pre call the gives and keep until he is ready to make his own choice, in a game where you think he is ready work on it the next week in practice with the ball in and pull out, if he can get it done fairley well try it in a favorable part of the game, if your QB cannot run then you must make the hand off process on trap very simple and then give him a fake assignment to simulate what he will do later such as bubble pass or zipper.

I hope i touched on what you wanted me to.

Hope all is well

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