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I don't know why so many adults insist on stripping all of the fun out of the game. 

 

Me neither. I've been volunteering at my org's free rookie camp this week. This is for kids who have never played tackle football and want to give it a try. Last night, my buddy who coaches one of my opponents was talking to a mom and her son in our age group. This kid played in 1st grade for the team who has only lost 1 game in 5 seasons and has won 5 championships in that time. He didn't return to that team because he was never coached, and rarely allowed to play. Additionally, it was her sense that the HC of that team made his experience miserable in hopes that he would leave the team. If that was the case, then Mission Accomplished. Troy knows the guy I'm talking about and I doubt this would surprise him in the least.

She brought him to the camp because after 4 years off, he wanted to try football again, hoping to find a better team. What a freaking shame. Fortunately, he is in good hands with my buddy.

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Posted by: @gumby_in_co

She brought him to the camp because after 4 years off, he wanted to try football again, hoping to find a better team.

I love reclamation projects (players AND parents).

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Is there some compensating advantage?

... Ours does so, copying off a very successful HS program, and they invite us to their preseason practices to help us practice in parallel, giving their teaching freely.  But none of our HCs actually copy it whole cloth -- either the drills or the system.  Some modify it much more than others.  

This is the advantage I see, being able to pick the HS HC's brain when things are not working out, applicable drills, and other such advantages.

Umm.... why does that 6 ft tall 9 yr old have a goatee...?


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Hopefully he knows 😀 


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@coyote 

 

If they haven't started spring practice yet, you should see if he'll let you watch those. One day at practice will probably let you know if it's worth going back for another day or not. 


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I’m going into my 32nd season of coaching youth football.  I’ve had HS HC’s ask me to run their offense, and I tell them I coach to the kind of boys I have.  Gimme 3 great RBs and a big line, and I’m going to go Wishbone… if I only have 1 RB and a smaller athletic line, I’m more likely to run the Mouse Davis ACE offense.  I want to teach fundamentals, regardless of the offense.  My teams win because they are better at blocking, tackling, and execution… not because of the offense I chose.

i run the best offense I know based on what our league gives me for a roster.  Good coaches don’t force kids to run HIS preferred offense… good coaches do what gives his boys the best fit and then coaches them up.

By the time my PeeWee team gets to senior high, I doubt that HS coach is still there… so why bother running his offense now?  No disrespect to the excellent coaches in our district… but all 3 schools are 6A… our highest division in Texas… if they lose, they get fired.  If they win, colleges steal them.  I just coach the offense best suited to my boys.  Right now I run under center WingT … because I have kids for that offense.  We went 10-0 last year averaging 29 points per game.  I think I chose well.

My vote? ….be loyal to your kids.

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Attended a youth coaching clinic put on by a local HS. HS is a traditional powerhouse, but the HC of 18 years retired and the new HC won the conference and took the team to the quarter finals. I got a few tidbits that I plan to use.  

He started off by talking about the school's history and last season. Then, gave a pretty good chalk talk on his 335 defense that he disguises as a 425 and 542.  Then the OC talked about the offense, mainly inside zone. There was a plenty for a youth coach who might consider running IZ.

Before we broke to go out side for some drills and stations, I asked the OC about a 3 year starter that had me as an o-line coach. I specifically asked if he had a hard time coaching the young man due to my "handiwork". He said that he did, mainly they really struggled with his stance. I had him in a 2 point the 6 seasons that I coached him. HS wanted him in a 3.  So I suppose that could be interpreted as an argument toward teaching the HS's "stuff".  However . . . .

1) There was a HC change after this kid's senior year. The OC had been kept by the new HC, so this OC did coach him all 4 years, but still, how often does that happen?

2) My guy started 3 seasons on Varsity. He couldn't have been that hard to coach.

3) Kid was All State as a Senior and has a D1 scholarship, so I couldn't have screwed him up that bad.

4) When this kid was a starter as a Sophomore, how many juniors and seniors played behind him that had all this team knowledge, experience and great stances?

5) OTs from other youth teams who had years of practice in a 3 point stance never saw the field.

6) The kids from Mahonz and my team went to 6 different high schools. Who's offense should I have taught?

Coaches from this HS were very generous with their time, knowledge and facilities. They made the effort to reach out to us lowly youth coaches and that was much appreciated.

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I specifically asked if he had a hard time coaching the young man due to my "handiwork". He said that he did, mainly they really struggled with his stance.

lol.  Sounds like they struggle with teaching fundamentals.

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Posted by: @gumby_in_co

I specifically asked if he had a hard time coaching the young man due to my "handiwork". He said that he did, mainly they really struggled with his stance.

lol.  Sounds like they struggle with teaching fundamentals.

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Funny how 6'6" 310 is more important than "fundamentals". On the other side of things, I attended a clinic by Phil Bravo many years ago. I had a chance to talk to him 1 on 1 for about an hour. His entire o-line was under 200 pounds, but his Monarch Coyotes would pound the rock against teams with no one under 300 on the d-line. I asked him why he wasn't able to find big guys. His answer, "Oh, we have them, but my sub-200 guys out lift them."

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Short answer. No. My reasons:

1) Most (probably 75%) of youth players will not play a down in High School

2) The High School game is significantly different than the youth game

3) The average tenure of a High School coach is probably less than 4 years. He likely wont be there when kids age up.

4) Higher level football coaches are orthodox and fear innovation. All the innovations happen at the lower levels these days. 

5) If the H.S. coach wants continuity, then he should run my offense.

The longer I coach, the lesser I know.


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5) If the H.S. coach wants continuity, then he should run my offense.

That would be a sight to behold.

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@gumby_in_co Lol. I'm actually working with the EHS coach on it. He's a spread guy and the sidesaddle might add an interesting twist by creating a wedge threat from spread.

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@gumby_in_co Lol. I'm actually working with the EHS coach on it. He's a spread guy and the sidesaddle might add an interesting twist by creating a wedge threat from spread.

Mahonz and I ran side saddle from Spread. One of the unexpected benefits was taking pressure off the QB in the passing game because you had to respect the BB. 

Wedge, yes, but also trap, unreal counters (limited only to your imagination), toss sweep. I mean, you can really get crazy with it. I'll see if we can find our play book. Sent you an email.

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@gumby_in_co 

Did he say what the issue was with the kid's 3-point stance?

The only difference between a good 2 and a good 3 is the hand being down. Most of our tackles use a 2-point stance but the shape of their lower half is identical to our G's in their 3 point.

The issue that I see over and over is kid's squatting to get depth rather than hinging at the hip.


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Posted by: @seabass

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Did he say what the issue was with the kid's 3-point stance?

Only that it was "terrible".

The only difference between a good 2 and a good 3 is the hand being down. Most of our tackles use a 2-point stance but the shape of their lower half is identical to our G's in their 3 point.

Exactly what I told and demonstrated for the player when he was a Freshman and exactly what I told and demonstrated for that coach this weekend.

 

 

 

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