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September 20, 2020 8:18 am  

Greetings Coaches

 

Yesterday’s game was a pair of 3-0 teams colliding.  They’d been winning big, turning games into track meets with their superior speed, putting 30 & 40 points on their opponents.  But to really understand this game, requires understanding the context.   Last time we lost in league play was game 4 of 2017.  This opponent was the team that was going to end that streak.   Fans from other teams stuck around to watch us lose.  All season we've been listening to how bad they were going to beat us.  You’d have thought they were planning fireworks when they won and parade down Main Street. The trash talk has been consistent since the end of last season. 

This is the coaching staff that criticizes us most, (and motivates us the most) .. we’re one dimensional, Our offense is stone-age, our blocking scheme is a joke, and we only run 4 plays.     They come out in a dozen formations, Jet & Rocket motions, and about 25 plays in their offense.   Most of which amount to different ways to run outside.

While they put together a great roster, they forgot that it’s a ‘bumps-n- bruises’ game, and especially, that we like it that way.  Our little guys up front did an excellent job of chewing up their big DL – we angle block and kick-out with our OGs, and today…  our OG’s would’ve done Coach Lombardi proud on our sweeps.  

We were up 31-0 at the half, finished 45 – 8 for the win.  We played well in all phases except one punt.  Game plan was pretty simple,
1)  Shorten the game, use up the clock, if we have the ball, they can't score
2) be physical, win the slobber knocker battle
3) win the turn-over battle. 

We did all three. 

We had worked hard this week on our belly plays,  “Drive for 5” was the mantra…  who ever I picked that up from on this list …  Thanx and a tip o’ the hat.   And worked hard against the sweeps on D.  Basically, we took the heart out of their kids.  Once we took their heart, we starting getting big plays.

Belly paid off big.  Real time consumer, we were hanging around in the huddle till the play clock was down to 17 seconds …   most snaps were at the 3 and 4 second mark.  Our 1st drive was mostly Belly weak and we scored, using nearly 8 minutes of a 10 minute quarter.  At one stretch in the game we ran Belly weak 5 times in a row.  They simply could not handle our physicality.  Defense intercepted both of their 1st two passes after which they hung up the passing game, we took 2 more possessions away from them on fumble recoveries.  + 4 in turnover margin, 3 of which gave us a short field (why we scored so much).  We had no turn-overs

League rule is we have to punt on 4th down if we’re winning by 31 points.  We did punt once, in the 4th Q, (We were giving OLinemen carries – and on 3rd and one, a tackle managed to lose 14 yds running backward -  Barry Sanders, he ain’t - if he was faster, he'd have lost even more yards) they ran the punt back …  one of their fast kids got the corner… and they converted.  Other than that, they never threatened.  Well, they have five kids who can score from anywhere on the field, so, every sweep / pitch / reverse, we kinda held our breath. 

Our kids maintained discipline on the perimeter and good pursuit angles, and they never got inside our 30. 

Our kids often make us proud, but this game…  I’m busting my buttons.

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Umm.... why does that 6 ft tall 9 yr old have a goatee...?


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September 21, 2020 9:34 am  
Posted by: @coyote

Yesterday’s game was a pair of 3-0 teams colliding.  They’d been winning big, turning games into track meets with their superior speed, putting 30 & 40 points on their opponents. 

--What can be foolhardy is when an undefeated team has built their record by beating up on teams that aren't very good. Those 30-40 point wins can give a team false confidence.  Those teams are likely to be brittle at the first sign of having to play a tough opponent.

This is the coaching staff that criticizes us most, (and motivates us the most) .. we’re one dimensional, Our offense is stone-age, our blocking scheme is a joke, and we only run 4 plays.     They come out in a dozen formations, Jet & Rocket motions, and about 25 plays in their offense.   Most of which amount to different ways to run outside.

--I wonder whether they've suddenly gained a new respect, or whether they're saddling themselves with excuses (the refs were lousy, if Sterling Sharpe hadn't been sick, etc.)

While they put together a great roster, they forgot that it’s a ‘bumps-n- bruises’ game, and especially, that we like it that way.  Our little guys up front did an excellent job of chewing up their big DL – we angle block and kick-out with our OGs, and today…  our OG’s would’ve done Coach Lombardi proud on our sweeps.  

We were up 31-0 at the half, finished 45 – 8 for the win.

--Sounds like you maintained the intensity.  That can be a challenge when you're up by 31 at the half.  Do you have a running clock?

+ 4 in turnover margin, 3 of which gave us a short field (why we scored so much).  We had no turn-overs

--That's the story of the game, right there.  A team doesn't win when they give away the ball 4 times, and their opponent never does.

We did punt once, in the 4th Q, (We were giving OLinemen carries – and on 3rd and one, a tackle managed to lose 14 yds running backward -  Barry Sanders, he ain’t - if he was faster, he'd have lost even more yards) they ran the punt back …  one of their fast kids got the corner… and they converted. 

--OOB!  Punt the ball OOB!

Our kids often make us proud, but this game…  I’m busting my buttons.

--Congratulations.  I can appreciate a game where the Flintstones beat the Jetsons. Yabba dabba do!

--Dave

 

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

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September 21, 2020 5:01 pm  
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--I wonder whether they've suddenly gained a new respect, or whether they're saddling themselves with excuses (the refs were lousy, if Sterling Sharpe hadn't been sick, etc.)

Hi Dave,

My HC says the trash talk has intensified, and getting uglier.  I haven't bothered with specifics, but he said the President of the league wants to talk to him...   we must have hurt someone's feelings.  Looks like they're taking the excuses route.  Just motivates us more.

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I can appreciate a game where the Flintstones beat the Jetsons. Yabba dabba do!

Hmmm....  We may just make that our battle cry.   Yabba Dabba DOOO! 

Partly, we're winning b/c the HC is great talent evaluator & a pretty good Defensive mind, and mostly because the rest the league is more interested in the window dressing than blocking and tackling.   Especially blocking.  Seems week in and week out the opposition's blocking scheme is nothing more than block the man in front of you.  We don't fight fair, we block angles and use our OG's to get a numeric advantage.

Old joke...  what's green and red and goes 60 mph?   A frog in a blender.   That's our blocking philosophy, slice and dice. 

Umm.... why does that 6 ft tall 9 yr old have a goatee...?


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September 21, 2020 7:29 pm  
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My HC says the trash talk has intensified, and getting uglier.  I haven't bothered with specifics, but he said the President of the league wants to talk to him.

--I really hate trash talking.  I've always thought it was unsportsmanlike and immature.  It's taunting, plain and simple.  And to see adults engage in it, is just sad.  It's so reminiscent of "my dad can beat up your dad," but by adults instead of children.  Unfortunately, the game has DEvolved to such a level that now we are supposed to be entertained by "who can talk trash the best."  Why so many feel like that should be glorified just speaks to the (im)maturity level of a great number of coaches.

mostly because the rest the league is more interested in the window dressing than blocking and tackling.   Especially blocking.  Seems week in and week out the opposition's blocking scheme is nothing more than block the man in front of you.

--True enough.  In youth ball, the single greatest advantage one can gain is in knowing how to teach the proper fundamentals.  And good blocking teams at the youth level, are as rare as hen's teeth.  And those that block well, usually win championships.

We don't fight fair, we block angles and use our OG's to get a numeric advantage.

--Anything you do that doesn't mirror your opponent is considered cheating (by the losers) when it gives you an advantage.

--Dave

 

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

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September 22, 2020 9:14 am  

Greetings Coaches...

So the President of the league comes over the HC house to talk...  we were curious as to what new complaint was coming our way...

For several yrs, the league has put together an All-star team to compete in tournaments after our season is over.  Due to Covid those we'd gone to - at the Rec League level - had all been cancelled, so there wasn't going to have an all-star team this yr.   All-star coaches are chosen by who ever is in 1st place at the mid-point that coaching staff has the all-stars, other coaches may help if they want to....   last 3 seasons, we've coached the All-stars.  Its been an ugly affair - jealous coaches, back stabbing and stirring up parents...   After last season my HC said if he ever agreed to coach the all-stars again, I was to punch him in the face. 

Something intended to be a unifying thing had turned divisive as parents' and coaches' egos have gotten out of hand, lots of back-stabbing by  other coaches who were supposedly there to assist.   Worse part, the board and the HCs voted for the all-star team, and - funny how it turned out - the coaches' and board members' kids tended to get voted onto the team, whether they should have been or not. And, of course it all for fun - until someone lost a game.

Our mid-point of the season we and our last opponent - both undefeated - the game settled the staff for the all-stars...  only our we were still under the belief that we weren't having the all-stars this yr.   Turns out a couple of those tournaments are back on.  

Yeah... you can see where this is going... we were left out of the loop, the other team was so confident they'd already chosen the all-star team and designed the uniforms.  Our beating them put the President of the league in the position that he had to come explain that we were having an all-star team after-all.  Personally, I was more irritated the other team was going to be allowed to hand pick the kids they wanted, and not have a 22 man-roster (an advantage not having all those lesser talented kids, who we were going to have to play).

After last season, I'd already told the HC, I couldn't be paid to do all-stars again.  He (we) turned it down.   HC had a 'come to Jesus meeting" with the President and the couple board members who came with him, and from all accounts, he got real 'Old Testament.'     Personally, I'm relieved not to have to go thru that again.

My aggravation is, they want to start the all-stars this week, and we still have 2 regular season games to play, and our play-offs.  I don't believe 8-9 yr olds are going to be effective trying to learn a second system, terminology, techniques when they are still trying to master the one's their own coaches are trying to teach them.

No wonder I've met so many good coaches who have said they'll never coach again unless its for an orphanage. 

<sigh> 

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September 22, 2020 9:34 am  
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last 3 seasons, we've coached the All-stars.  Its been an ugly affair - jealous coaches, back stabbing and stirring up parents...   After last season my HC said if he ever agreed to coach the all-stars again, I was to punch him in the face. 

--I can understand that.  I'd never want to coach another coach's kids by season's end. I couldn't deal with all the "That's not how we do it," in addition to new kids not being able to deal with our process.  "All-stars" wouldn't give me enough time to get them acclimated.

Worse part, the board and the HCs voted for the all-star team, and - funny how it turned out - the coaches' and board members' kids tended to get voted onto the team, whether they should have been or not. And, of course it all for fun - until someone lost a game.

--Then it's not really "all-stars," anyway.  It's "Who had a dad on the team."

we were left out of the loop, the other team was so confident they'd already chosen the all-star team and designed the uniforms.  Our beating them put the President of the league in the position that he had to come explain that we were having an all-star team after-all. 

--So?  Who cares?  You'd have known it anyway when the games were played.  Besides, y'all weren't interested in coaching it.

Personally, I was more irritated the other team was going to be allowed to hand pick the kids they wanted, and not have a 22 man-roster (an advantage not having all those lesser talented kids, who we were going to have to play).

--So?  Who cares?  Let those coaches deal with all the momma drama.

After last season, I'd already told the HC, I couldn't be paid to do all-stars again.  He (we) turned it down.   HC had a 'come to Jesus meeting" with the President and the couple board members who came with him, and from all accounts, he got real 'Old Testament.'     Personally, I'm relieved not to have to go thru that again.

--Good.  Now you don't have to go through all that.

My aggravation is, they want to start the all-stars this week, and we still have 2 regular season games to play, and our play-offs.  I don't believe 8-9 yr olds are going to be effective trying to learn a second system, terminology, techniques when they are still trying to master the one's their own coaches are trying to teach them.

--So?  Who cares?  It won't be your problem; it'ii be the other staff's problem.  They want to do this and you don't.  Let 'em.

--Dave

 

 

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

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September 22, 2020 9:54 am  
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--OOB!  Punt the ball OOB!

MY AC's keep wanting me to punt, I never have.  If I do, I was thinking rugby style down the sideline, but this is what I will teach now.

 

Still don't think I will punt.


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September 22, 2020 10:22 am  

Dave, 

I care because the game belongs to the kids.  Not the coaches, not the parents, not the Board.  The kids. 

I'm also of something of a contrary nature and these kinda things motivate me.   This is the type of nonsense that fuels my fire.  

We wouldn't do it their kids, but some folk have earned themselves a 100-0 back-o'-the-woodshed whoopin'...   but, I'll keep smiling to everyone, being polite, keep my "yessir, nosir, please 'n thankyou ma'am" self going, and work harder than ever to keep sharpening the kids' skills and techniques. 

Because the game belongs to the kids. 

Umm.... why does that 6 ft tall 9 yr old have a goatee...?


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September 22, 2020 10:23 am  
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--OOB!  Punt the ball OOB!

MY AC's keep wanting me to punt, I never have.  If I do, I was thinking rugby style down the sideline, but this is what I will teach now.

 

Still don't think I will punt.

I was of the same mindset until I saw a few punts that really changed the game. I still hate the idea of punting, but if you're going to do it, practice it and do it well. We practice rugby punting, but it seems like we tend to kick it down the middle of the field. Our punter puts enough on it that I think 4th graders have a hard time fielding them, especially if they don't practice it a lot.

When in doot . . . glass and oot.


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September 22, 2020 12:08 pm  
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--OOB!  Punt the ball OOB!

MY AC's keep wanting me to punt, I never have.  If I do, I was thinking rugby style down the sideline, but this is what I will teach now.

 

Still don't think I will punt.

I was of the same mindset until I saw a few punts that really changed the game. I still hate the idea of punting, but if you're going to do it, practice it and do it well. We practice rugby punting, but it seems like we tend to kick it down the middle of the field. Our punter puts enough on it that I think 4th graders have a hard time fielding them, especially if they don't practice it a lot.

I'm the only guy I know (other than the kicking guru) who likes to punt.  It's an easy 30-yard gain.  Opponents rarely-to-never practice any aspect of it.  Opponents' kids are drawn to the ball like a hypnotized magnet despite their coaches yelling, "Peter!" or "Get away! Get Away! Don't touch it!"   Their excited optimism about getting the ball on 4th Down suddenly goes to "Uh-Oh," when they find they're taking over at their own 12-yard line.  And going to a shotgun snap.  I get all goose pimply.

I won't recount the details of the story of our winning the conference championship by 3 touchdowns in a youth game where we punted 6 times.  We had the shortest fields ever.  And our opponent had the longest.

--Dave

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September 22, 2020 12:15 pm  

A lotta youth guys like to brag about never punting, or never having to punt.  But these are also the guys who are willing to play against an opponent in the middle of the field (between the 40s) for an entire quarter (or half), as neither team is willing to punt.  When ONE punt could have made the rest of the quarter (or half) played on your opponent's 20.

If you're playing against an inferior opponent, punting really doesn't matter.  But if your opponent is your equal or better, 3 punts in one half can move you down the field more effectively in a stalemated, evenly-played game.

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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September 22, 2020 12:43 pm  

A good punter is a great weapon.  

At our level, 8 & 9 yr olds, either the punt doesn't get much past the LOS (very common in our league - twice I've seen the punt go backward, once it just cleared the OL, and bounced backward over the OL heads, and they lost yards on the play) or, the kid has a live leg and out-kicks his coverage (seems there's a few of these every yr).   We out-kicked our coverage, then the ball took a perfect bounce right to their kid, and did the one thing we try to avoid ...  put the ball in the hands of their best athlete  - in space - with room to run.

We're geared toward being a 4 down offense, it's our mentality and the kids' have bought into it.  

But, I do get what Dave is saying, and back in HS ball, had some games when the real game MVP was the punter. 

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September 22, 2020 1:58 pm  

This year, our best RB is our best punter, so it makes sense. Last 2 years . . . wow. 22 kids who look like they've never kicked ANYTHING. My nephew was in freaking Karate for 2 years and simply could NOT kick a ball, whether it was dropped in mid air or simply laying on the ground. I told him, "you better never get in a fight".

For many years, I have been the scout guy, so I watch a LOT of youth football. I typically see 1 in 10 punts go the way the punting team intended. 

Oh, and I once lost a quarterfinal game in OT that involved a blocked punt for a TD.

So I'm a bit biased when it comes to punting.

When in doot . . . glass and oot.


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September 22, 2020 3:46 pm  
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Oh, and I once lost a quarterfinal game in OT that involved a blocked punt for a TD.

So I'm a bit biased when it comes to punting.

I never said you didn't have to practice it. 😉 

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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