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February 5, 2020 2:24 pm  

Gents

After last Spring we vowed to never participate again so we are trying something unique. 

Flex Football. 

Looks like we will have about 24 third and fourth graders so we will field two teams. Never been a proponent of flag but this looks reasonable. Flag with pads. Should be interesting. We start next month. 9-12 games then a season ending Tournament. We are going to work hard on plyos and form running. Try and get the kids from our team a step faster and more confident. With no tackling being taught, we will focus on their form, demeanor and football IQ. 

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February 5, 2020 3:20 pm  
Posted by: @mahonz

Gents

After last Spring we vowed to never participate again so we are trying something unique. 

Flex Football. 

Looks like we will have about 24 third and fourth graders so we will field two teams. Never been a proponent of flag but this looks reasonable. Flag with pads. Should be interesting. We start next month. 9-12 games then a season ending Tournament. We are going to work hard on plyos and form running. Try and get the kids from our team a step faster and more confident. With no tackling being taught, we will focus on their form, demeanor and football IQ. 

Flex Football Link
 
Flex Football Game

We discussed offering something Similar to Flex at Grade 4 was met with great opposition.  If they're going to wear pads just play Tackle was an oft heard reply.   Heck our Flag system is not going as well as we would like. 

We had planned for FLAG from K through 3, then Flex (Variant) at 4th and possibly 5th grade as an introduction to Tackle ball that would go from 6-8th Grade.    

We have gone from a high of 195 kids to just 60 kids playing Tackle ball.   So we are looking at anything to keep the embers glowing.  

 

   

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February 5, 2020 4:11 pm  
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If they're going to wear pads just play Tackle was an oft heard reply. 

Sounds reasonable to me.

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February 5, 2020 5:37 pm  

The youth rugby in our area has the 'tackle' as a two hand touch on the shorts. As rugby tackles are wrapping the thighs, this gets the kids used to getting into a breakdown position.

 

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February 5, 2020 5:45 pm  
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Gents

After last Spring we vowed to never participate again so we are trying something unique. 

Flex Football. 

Looks like we will have about 24 third and fourth graders so we will field two teams. Never been a proponent of flag but this looks reasonable. Flag with pads. Should be interesting. We start next month. 9-12 games then a season ending Tournament. We are going to work hard on plyos and form running. Try and get the kids from our team a step faster and more confident. With no tackling being taught, we will focus on their form, demeanor and football IQ. 

Flex Football Link
 
Flex Football Game

We discussed offering something Similar to Flex at Grade 4 was met with great opposition.  If they're going to wear pads just play Tackle was an oft heard reply.   Heck our Flag system is not going as well as we would like. 

We had planned for FLAG from K through 3, then Flex (Variant) at 4th and possibly 5th grade as an introduction to Tackle ball that would go from 6-8th Grade.    

We have gone from a high of 195 kids to just 60 kids playing Tackle ball.   So we are looking at anything to keep the embers glowing.  

 

   

Our League felt that flag was taking away from tackle after starting flag as a means to bridge to tackle. So they killed flag and joined an existing Flex League for this Spring. The idea is still to bridge kids into tackle.  At least it allows blocking and blocking destruction. Plus its 9 on 9 so the mayhem is there. But....I am just assuming. 

We shall see. I just couldn't bring myself to do tackle this Spring. There is only one League and it is in trouble. Last year was horrific as far as sportsmanship and overall structure. 

 

The biggie...Now i just show up and coach. No renting fields. paying entrance fees , buying jerseys, providing equipment and organizing insurance. Although we will probably have to split our staff in two so we might be a bit lite on coaches. 

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February 5, 2020 8:15 pm  
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The youth rugby in our area has the 'tackle' as a two hand touch on the shorts. As rugby tackles are wrapping the thighs, this gets the kids used to getting into a breakdown position.

 

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February 5, 2020 9:43 pm  
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If they're going to wear pads just play Tackle was an oft heard reply. 

Sounds reasonable to me.

--Dave

   

 

Here is the reality Dave.  Hardly anyone playing Tackle Football in our area at the 3rd and 4th grade Level and below.  Most have gone to Flag.  Strong resistance to Flag in our town for whatever reason.  As such we have a huge Gap!   

Our League has Tackle from 5th through 8th grade.   The ancillary League associated with "Junior High Football" had dropped Tackle football. Under 5th Grade.  We are the smallest town in our league, Population 2k.  Competing against towns with access from 4-6K population one has 10K.  Don't care about the underdog status, the concern is that the other towns are seeing a similar drop in participation in tackle but a rise in Flag.  We aren't seeing the Rise in Flag participation we anticipated.  

As you know I have been at this for 16 years as a Coach and Board Member.  I thought many times last season if, me being a proverbial "Dinosaur", was part of the issue.  I resigned after last season, exasperated, and in hopes that more kids would participate or show up to practice this coming year.  They say Lead, Follow, Or Get Out Of The Way!  I am out of the way and truly hope the Phoenix rises form the ashes!  I will advance the cause in any way I can.  

 

 

 

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February 6, 2020 2:41 pm  

I take it the pads are because there's blocking.  But I've seen lots of touch and flag with blocking but no pads.  Is the blocking less restricted in Flex?  There's very few blocking techniques that are legal in tackle but outlawed in flag or touch, except those that just plain don't allow blocking.  So what's with the pads?  And once they're padded, what's the objection to tackling?


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February 6, 2020 2:56 pm  
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I take it the pads are because there's blocking.  But I've seen lots of touch and flag with blocking but no pads.  Is the blocking less restricted in Flex?  There's very few blocking techniques that are legal in tackle but outlawed in flag or touch, except those that just plain don't allow blocking.  So what's with the pads?  And once they're padded, what's the objection to tackling?

In flex, you have to block with the hands. On defense, no bull rushing. I have NO idea how they will enforce that. I was against it at first, but I was also against Spring tackle for the reasons that Mahonz mentioned. Then, I saw the interest from our players and figured "flex football is better than no football". Sometimes weird rules an parameters suck, but they can also allow you to try things you wouldn't normally waste time on. I will be exploring different actions from a DW formation and really push the limits on what we can do out of it. The hands blocking is what we do anyway, so I will be developing my brother in law into an o-line coach. 

Why pads? Optics. When Mahonz went around last off season recruiting basketball and baseball players for tackle football, he got an extremely cold reception. One mom called him a child abuser to his face and said he should be thrown in jail. This year, he's got 2 basketball players coming out for Flex whose parents were very hesitant about football. All I've ever asked out of a parent is for a chance to win them over.

Also, our best player from last year has a mom who treats her baby like he's made of glass. He missed a month of football for a head injury followed by 3 weeks of "I'm not ready". SHE wasn't ready. Not the son. It turns out, she is an active PTA member and was catching hell from the PTA and her son's principal for allowing him to play, along with the "I told you so's" about his head injury. Well, she is 100% and enthusiastically on board with Flex. Mahonz and I were convinced we'd lost him after last season.

I'm looking forward to it.

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February 6, 2020 3:07 pm  
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The hands blocking is what we do anyway, so I will be developing my brother in law into an o-line coach. 

What happened to putting your best coach with the offensive line?

--Dave

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The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

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February 6, 2020 10:23 pm  

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Mahonz doesn't coach the o-line. I usually take o-line, but I'll be OC next Fall. If I can get my brother in law up to speed this Spring, he'll have the job in the Fall. If not, I'll double up.

 

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February 7, 2020 2:53 pm  
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Posted by: @bob-goodman

I take it the pads are because there's blocking.  But I've seen lots of touch and flag with blocking but no pads.  Is the blocking less restricted in Flex?  There's very few blocking techniques that are legal in tackle but outlawed in flag or touch, except those that just plain don't allow blocking.  So what's with the pads?  And once they're padded, what's the objection to tackling?

Why pads? Optics.

In flex, you have to block with the hands. On defense, no bull rushing. I have NO idea how they will enforce that.

Doesn't seem that hard.  "No bull rushing" to me means you have to make contact with hands first.  Which means you can't play "invisible blocker", have to engage if you see them coming.  Otherwise it looks about the same as what I've seen elsewhere they have touch or tackle with blocking, except they usually add no blocking below the waist, no going to the ground as part of a blocking move.

But if there's no shoulder blocking or bull rushing, then what body parts are padded?


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February 7, 2020 8:06 pm  
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But if there's no shoulder blocking or bull rushing, then what body parts are padded?

Head and shoulders.

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February 8, 2020 11:55 am  
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Posted by: @bob-goodman

 

But if there's no shoulder blocking or bull rushing, then what body parts are padded?

Head and shoulders.

Oh.  I didn't see the scrum caps in the video until I made it full screen.  Thought they just had dark hair!

But what's the purpose of padding the shoulders when there's no shoulder blocking?

 


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February 8, 2020 12:24 pm  

 

Oh.  I didn't see the scrum caps in the video until I made it full screen.  Thought they just had dark hair!But what's the purpose of padding the shoulders when there's no shoulder blocking?

 

My guess: 1) Optics 2) Chance to sell shoulder pads. These aren't full on shoulder pads. The look like they're made out of 1/2" foam.

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