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September 21, 2020 10:12 am  
Posted by: @mahonz

WE have a new Offense and a new Defense so I pretty much left my OC and DC flapping in the wind when things got real last Saturday.

What are you running this time?

--Dave

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September 21, 2020 10:25 am  
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Posted by: @mahonz

WE have a new Offense and a new Defense so I pretty much left my OC and DC flapping in the wind when things got real last Saturday.

What are you running this time?

--Dave

A neat little Offense I have ran in the past a couple of times based off Ted Seays Wild Bunch....and Clarks Killer Bee. Most of the coaches are familiar with the KB and have ran it before but its new to players. We are having personnel issues. 5 players out this game. 

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September 21, 2020 10:29 am  
Posted by: @mahonz

A neat little Offense I have ran in the past a couple of times based off Ted Seays Wild Bunch....and Clarks Killer Bee. 

At your instruction, or your OC's?

I have Ted's "Wild Bunch" playbook.  Good stuff.

--Dave

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The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

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September 21, 2020 12:36 pm  
Posted by: @coachdp
Posted by: @mahonz

A neat little Offense I have ran in the past a couple of times based off Ted Seays Wild Bunch....and Clarks Killer Bee. 

At your instruction, or your OC's?

I have Ted's "Wild Bunch" playbook.  Good stuff.

--Dave

At my instruction. Its my WB Lite. I put it together maybe 15 years ago. This this is the 3rd time I have pulled it out of the Rolodex. We did run its Little Brother the Monster Offense as second graders. Same OC so there is some familiarity. 

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September 21, 2020 1:40 pm  
Posted by: @g8trs

Losing big sucks. How are you gonna fix the coaching staff?

You have 6 coaches for a 4th grade team? I bet you have coaches standing around all the time.

We are in 7th grade with 22 players and we are running with 4 coaches including myself. It is a lot of work but we bust our asses. The boys see our effort and match it at practice. They tend to slack off if you have coaches standing around spitting seeds talking about the good old days lol.

We played a team with 8 coaches yesterday lol. The whole time they were arguing with eachother. They couldnt get on the same page about anything. I felt bad for their players because they have some studs and should be way better than they are. Outcome of the game was 43-0. 

Im sure you guys will work it out. Starts with the coaching staff.

One of the guys on the staff is a VERY respected former opponent. We've bounced ideas off each other for years. He's run Beast, UBSW, KB and has now been with us for 3 seasons. We were talking last night. I was frustrated from watching 2 clips of offense. My o-line would rather play defense and it's starting to show in blown assignments, poor technique and a general malaise. So I had an idea to fire them all off of defense, thereby using their selfishness against them. I was out of ideas and my message isn't getting through.

I had to bounce this off the DC first. We had a good, long talk.

1) He's seen us run Beast for 3 seasons now and doesn't understand our blocking rules. This is a pretty big, "aha" moment. Since he doesn't coach a position on offense, he'll be joining me on the o-line. He and I often approach problems from opposite ends, so I will teach him. He will help me teach them.

2) He helped me realize that my frustration (and "fire them from defense solution") with blown assignments, poor technique and general malaise is really about me and my ego. I proved last Thursday that they KNOW what they are supposed to do, they just don't care. The "don't care" problem is still mine to solve. Why don't they care? They would all rather play defense. Getting them to care is going to take some creativity. Last Thursday, I shed light on the issue using the "stick" method. Results were immediate and dramatic. I can't coach that way, though. I didn't get them to care about their alignment, assignment and technique, but I got them to care about avoiding the stick.

Mahonz is right that we ACs are siloed. We need to have a holistic view of the offense and defense, then coach accordingly. We're meeting tonight at Denny's to fix this. I hope it becomes a weekly thing. The good news is that there is very little ego on this staff. Mahonz and I are easily the two most selfish coaches on the staff, but we snap out of it as soon as we realize what we're doing (see #2 above).

There are teams in our league who are stacked to the gills with talent. Last season, we were devoid. This season, we are middle of the road and our former MPPs from 2 seasons ago are beginning to emerge. This "superstar" to the outside has a shelf life. I thought it would be done this year.  We can overcome this, but we must be exceptional on every play on alignment, assignment, technique and effort. When we are not, "fast Jimmy" scores. ALL of Saturday's opponents' TDs were big plays. 2 TFLs followed by a TD. This is not a "lack of talent" excuse. We are coaching our asses off for the players we have. We have the right offense to keep the ball out of their hands, but we failed to execute it. Defensively, we are light years ahead of the last 2 seasons, but no scheme can overcome a player or 3 who can turn a single mistake into a TD.

We have many "selfishness" issues that need to fix. O-line refusing to focus on the task at hand because all they can think about is "I'd rather be playing defense". We have a team full of practice hall of famers. This week, we knew the opponent liked the bubble screen and once their guy got the ball, he was very dangerous in space. KB is custom made for bubbles. If they throw one and it works, good for them. Second one, gets you lit up. Third and subsequent bubbles are begging for a pick 6.  So Friday night, Mahonz chews out a scout CB for ignoring a WR on a deep fade and jumping a quick out for a pick. He knew the play and saw an opportunity for fun and glory. We do this a dozen times a week. Offense is working on the passing game, scout D knows our pass calls and we have NTs dropping into Cover 2 umbrella to pick off a pass. Then game day comes around and they throw the SAME bubble to this practice all star 5 times and he sits with his feet planted 6 yards off the LOS. Why doesn't he jump that route? Self preservation, mainly. He's worried that the big, bad kids in black jerseys might hurt him. I guess . . . if you ask him why he didn't try to intercept the 5th bubble thrown his way, he'd shrug and say, "I don't know", which has become our team motto.

These are all challenges that must be overcome. 

 

 

 

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September 21, 2020 4:14 pm  

It sounds to me like you have some lineman that want to be aggressive. Let them rag doll some kids on the o line. Not sure if that is possible in the WB offense. We have zero splits so we double team, ko, trap, wedge and knock the crap out of the defense on every play. Our O line is just as nasty as our D line. We hunt for pancakes.

1. Beast blocking is about as easy as it gets. 3 seasons and the O line coach doesnt know the blocking scheme?

2. If they know their assignments and refuse to execute because they are lazy thats a coaching issue. Motivate those lineman to get pancakes. Pancakes are just as awesome as sacks. I let the lineman with the most pancakes run through our banner pregame holding our Pancake Platoon flag and they get extra skull stickers for their effort. I have found stickers, pancake flag and pancake breakfasts are far more motivating than our Swamp sticks.

We were in the same boat in 4th grade. We really struggled to compete with the talent we had. I remember talking to Mahonz about our situation. He open my eyes to the advantages I have coaching in a small org. Since then we have worked our butts off recruiting the right players for our team. 

I know nothing about the KB besides it sounds cool lol. Im not smart enough to run all that fancy stuff. We keep it stupid simple and try to punish our opponents. Most of the time they beat themselves with their fancy schemes. 

You guys have been doing this much longer than I have. Mahonz has probably been coaching longer than I have been alive lol. Keep grinding you guys will figure it out.

If it doesnt work out next year you guys can run DW. Your lineman will love you lol.

 

 


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September 22, 2020 1:46 am  
Posted by: @g8trs

It sounds to me like you have some lineman that want to be aggressive. Let them rag doll some kids on the o line. 

We have linemen, RBs, receivers, D-linemen, LBs, safeties, and corners who want to play the game on their terms. We're mega splits. We do not rag doll.

1. Beast blocking is about as easy as it gets. 3 seasons and the O line coach doesnt know the blocking scheme?

I'm the O line coach and I know the scheme very well. The guy who doesn't, has no real reason to know it, other than from watching us. I take pride in it being so simple, I don't have to write it down, but apparently, it's not as intuitive as I thought. He's going to join me in coaching the o-line, so he will know the scheme in short order. He always ran beast with zero splits and TKO.

2. If they know their assignments and refuse to execute because they are lazy thats a coaching issue.

No argument there. I have not made playing o-line special this season. That changes this week. Hammer award on Wednesday (first practice of the week) for the player who best demonstrates knowledge, technique and effort based on film review. Hammer winner gets his picture taken with the hammer and carries it (8lb sledge hammer in team colors) onto the game field. I'll probably make the hammer central to our pre-game break down. Maybe let him run through the banner with it?  Is that a safety issue?

Motivate those lineman to get pancakes. Pancakes are just as awesome as sacks. I let the lineman with the most pancakes run through our banner pregame holding our Pancake Platoon flag and they get extra skull stickers for their effort. I have found stickers, pancake flag and pancake breakfasts are far more motivating than our Swamp sticks.

We don't do pancakes. Mega splits is "get in the way, stay in the way" and "be on your man when the whistle blows. See hammer award above. Also, I will be introducing weekly "call outs" where one kid can call out another in a 1 on 1, in a blocking drill or a knowledge test. Winner gets a point. Prizes given out on Friday for physical and knowledge point leaders. Going to get T-shirts made that say "Will block for food"

We were in the same boat in 4th grade. We really struggled to compete with the talent we had. I remember talking to Mahonz about our situation. He open my eyes to the advantages I have coaching in a small org. Since then we have worked our butts off recruiting the right players for our team. 

I know nothing about the KB besides it sounds cool lol. Im not smart enough to run all that fancy stuff. We keep it stupid simple and try to punish our opponents. Most of the time they beat themselves with their fancy schemes. 

You guys have been doing this much longer than I have. Mahonz has probably been coaching longer than I have been alive lol. Keep grinding you guys will figure it out.

If it doesnt work out next year you guys can run DW. Your lineman will love you lol.

This is definitely a "long game" situation. Fast guy offenses won't carry you forever. We don't have to look far to see the progress we made with most of our guys. 4 of us met tonight and talked at great lengths. Mahonz described our team as "bedwetters", which is accurate. We simply cannot carry our practice accomplishments onto the game field. We need to be exceptional to be competitive against these top tier teams and we are not there. The most frustrating part is appearing to be exceptional on Thursday and Friday, then being pedestrian on Saturday. We're also seeing a LOT of distractions currently. We'll be missing 2 key players for the next game and a 3rd who will be out all week for practice, but return in time for the game.

Nothing fancy about KB. The secret sauce is in the spacing, which gives defenders a shorter route to the sideline than the ball carrier. Things fall apart for us when one player doesn't do his job, followed by another player trying to do the first player's job . . . domino effect. Then, there are the plays where everyone does their job, but the RB does something he's not supposed to be able to do and scores.

 

 

 

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September 22, 2020 9:50 am  
 
We have linemen, RBs, receivers, D-linemen, LBs, safeties, and corners who want to play the game on their terms. We're mega splits. We do not rag doll.
 
--What's "rag doll?"
 
He always ran beast with zero splits and TKO.
 
--You mean, "He always run beast the way it is supposed to be run."  (Fixed it for you.)

I have not made playing o-line special this season.

--Why?  You know as well as I do that a position coach always makes his group the elite.

Maybe let him run through the banner with it?  Is that a safety issue?

--Who cares?  Have him wear goggles....

 We don't do pancakes.

--Yeah, well....that's a problem, right there.

Going to get T-shirts made that say "Will block for food"

--Gee, that's inspiring. 🤔 

Fast guy offenses won't carry you forever.

--Bingo.  So....that tells you what?

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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September 22, 2020 10:20 am  
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We have linemen, RBs, receivers, D-linemen, LBs, safeties, and corners who want to play the game on their terms. We're mega splits. We do not rag doll.
 
--What's "rag doll?" I assume it's similar to a pancake.
 
He always ran beast with zero splits and TKO.
 
--You mean, "He always run beast the way it is supposed to be run."  (Fixed it for you.) 😴 

I have not made playing o-line special this season.

--Why?  You know as well as I do that a position coach always makes his group the elite. Do you really want to hear an excuse? Okay: Covid. That's why I haven't made playing o-line special this season . . . yet.

Maybe let him run through the banner with it?  Is that a safety issue?

--Who cares?  Have him wear goggles.... Sometimes we do things with props that after a kid gets hurt, we're like "should have seen that one coming". Example, kid does a "belly" while holding Godzilla. I'll teach them how to carry a hammer safely and having them run through the banner. Hammer guy will be the first one through so everyone can see him.

 We don't do pancakes.

--Yeah, well....that's a problem, right there. 😴 

Going to get T-shirts made that say "Will block for food"

--Gee, that's inspiring. 🤔 That's sarcasm, right? Hard to tell with you sometimes. Do you think this joke would go over their heads?

Fast guy offenses won't carry you forever.

--Bingo.  So....that tells you what? Keep working until having a fast guy is no longer an overwhelming advantage.

--Dave

 

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September 22, 2020 11:51 am  
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--Why?  You know as well as I do that a position coach always makes his group the elite. Do you really want to hear an excuse? Okay: Covid. That's why I haven't made playing o-line special this season . . . yet.
 
--I understand that.  When you get there late, it opens the doors for all kinds of challenges.  Remember that last year when we made our run to the national championship, I didn't get there until the regular season had concluded.  THAT was tough.
 
--Who cares?  Have him wear goggles.... Sometimes we do things with props that after a kid gets hurt, we're like "should have seen that one coming". Example, kid does a "belly" while holding Godzilla. I'll teach them how to carry a hammer safely and having them run through the banner. Hammer guy will be the first one through so everyone can see him.
 
--Yeah....I'm not really into the "props" thing.  I don't even like the team running through the banner.  One kid ALWAYS trips and then it all falls apart.  I've let us do it when parents pleaded about having a banner, but I hate that kind of folderol.
 
--Gee, that's inspiring. 🤔 That's sarcasm, right? Hard to tell with you sometimes. Do you think this joke would go over their heads?
 
--Yes, it was sarcasm.  (I need some sort of sarcasm emoji.)  Anyways, I'm not concerned that it'll go over their head.  I'm concerned that it went over mine.
 
--Dave

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

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September 22, 2020 11:55 am  
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--Yes, it was sarcasm.  (I need some sort of sarcasm emoji.)  Anyways, I'm not concerned that it'll go over their head.  I'm concerned that it went over mine.
 
--Dave

'Nuff said. If I have to explain a joke, then it wasn't that funny. "Will block for food" . . . because the big guys like to eat . . . nevermind.

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September 22, 2020 11:57 am  
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'Nuff said. If I have to explain a joke, then it wasn't that funny. "Will block for food" . . . because the big guys like to eat . . . nevermind.

 

No, no, no.  There's a lot of jokes I don't get.  So don't go by me. lol

--Dave

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#BattleReady newhope


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September 22, 2020 2:51 pm  
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'Nuff said. If I have to explain a joke, then it wasn't that funny. "Will block for food" . . . because the big guys like to eat . . . nevermind.

 

No, no, no.  There's a lot of jokes I don't get.  So don't go by me. lol

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September 22, 2020 4:38 pm  

Rag Doll- throwing your opponent around like a toy. Must be a wrestling saying.

I considered mega splits one offseason. Then I realized that its not my style. I want my team to be physical and blow the other team off the ball.

We ran Air Raid with wide splits this Spring for Flex. My lineman hated every second of it. They want to punish their opponents in the run game. Not pass block and redirect. Maybe you have some old school smash mouth type kids that wanna play mean. Im just saying maybe mega splits don't fit the kids you have.

We also have a hammer award. The players vote for the most aggressive player after each game. The Hammer gets to run through the banner on game day holding the hammer. They also write their name on it and the player who earns it the most throughout the season gets to keep it. We found a foam sledge hammer online from a Halloween party store. I was also worried about someone getting hurt.

The boys want that hammer so bad they destroy our opponents. Its amazing what they will do for some recognition from their peers and a foam hammer.

Lineman Problems is an awesome website. We purchased a custom Green and Blue Pancake Platoon flag from them. The most outstanding lineman gets to run through the banner carrying the flag. 

We also made custom shirts for our line that say "Never get between a Gator and its next meal" Gators O Line 2020. 

Covid Shmovid. You want your lineman to feel special? You gotta go out of your way everyday. The easiest way to do this is to run a scheme that relies heavily on line play. Our line knows we are nothing in the DW without them. 


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September 22, 2020 5:00 pm  
Posted by: @g8trs

Maybe you have some old school smash mouth type kids that wanna play mean. Im just saying maybe mega splits don't fit the kids you have.

I have new school "right now kids" who wanna catch passes, line up at WR, play LB, play grab or anything else to scratch that itch. They are still the best o-line in the league, but that says more about our league than our play.

We also have a hammer award. The players vote for the most aggressive player after each game. The Hammer gets to run through the banner on game day holding the hammer. They also write their name on it and the player who earns it the most throughout the season gets to keep it. We found a foam sledge hammer online from a Halloween party store. I was also worried about someone getting hurt.

The boys want that hammer so bad they destroy our opponents. Its amazing what they will do for some recognition from their peers and a foam hammer.

Lineman Problems is an awesome website. We purchased a custom Green and Blue Pancake Platoon flag from them. The most outstanding lineman gets to run through the banner carrying the flag. 

Hmm. I like the writing of names and who earns it most keeps it. I don't like the foam hammer. I do like the flag, but not the pancakes on the flag.

Covid Shmovid. You want your lineman to feel special? You gotta go out of your way everyday. The easiest way to do this is to run a scheme that relies heavily on line play. Our line knows we are nothing in the DW without them. 

Told you I didn't want to make excuses.  Covid because I missed the first 3 weeks of the season because I was planning on hiding until the pandemic is over. Our scheme depends entirely on our o-line play. It doesn't matter what blocking scheme you run. If lineman does not use the techniques that you taught them that are specific to your scheme, that player will fail, your line will fail, your scheme will fail and your offense will fail.

We had a meeting of the minds last night and identified some areas that we coaches have been failing at. We have a plan to fix that. 

 

 

 

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