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gumby_in_co
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September 12, 2020 11:02 am  

@rjbthor

If I'm reading the context right, you had all week to coach up a new C. The decision to go into the game with a C who did not practice all week is really where the lesson lies.

Punish? No. Consequences, yes.  The team rules are an unfeeling machine. Take the emotion out of them. If this, then that.  Johnny didn't practice all week? Johnny doesn't play. Johnny has proven to be unreliable at C (most important player on the team, IMHO)? Replace him with someone who is. Then put Johnny in a position that isn't so vulnerable to unreliability.

 

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September 12, 2020 11:48 am  

Well, I read JustPlay's post waay wrong.  He asked, "Do I punish the kid for parents not respecting the team?"  I thought he asked, "Do I punish the parents..."  Stoopid me.

On the other hand, I still think the question is foolish.  You don't "punish" a kid for the actions of their parents.  Kids have zero control over the decisions and actions of their parents.

--Dave

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CoachDP
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September 12, 2020 11:56 am  
Posted by: @gumby_in_co
 
Yes. I am a simple man, but before Mahonz retires, I want to see a parent or parents run a lap for something they did or didn't do. Sending a kid to practice on a 100 degree day without water during a pandemic that prohibits sharing of water. Yes. Take a lap.

lol.  Parents certainly have shown more transgressions than any of our players ever did.  Regardless, I shoulda read coach's post more thoroughly. That's what I get for posting at 4:30 in the morning.

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

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CoachDP
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September 12, 2020 12:46 pm  
Posted by: @gumby_in_co

@rjbthor

If I'm reading the context right, you had all week to coach up a new C. The decision to go into the game with a C who did not practice all week is really where the lesson lies.

--Yep.  Then it's a non-issue.

Punish? No. Consequences, yes.  The team rules are an unfeeling machine. Take the emotion out of them. If this, then that.  Johnny didn't practice all week? Johnny doesn't play. Johnny has proven to be unreliable at C (most important player on the team, IMHO)? Replace him with someone who is. Then put Johnny in a position that isn't so vulnerable to unreliability.

--Bingo.  On occasion when we've had players who we knew would have sporadic attendance on gameday ("Johnny also plays Travel Checkers"), we've told the player and the parent that it would limit the types of positions that he could play. Regardless, miss 1 practice, miss one quarter.  Miss two practices, miss one half.  Miss three practices, miss the game.  At high school, I had a "Miss 6" practice set up.  There was no "excused" or "unexcused" practices.  You simply got 6 practices to miss at your discretion.  But no one came close to hitting the number, because of our "miss 1 practice, miss one quarter" rule.

--Dave

 

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

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September 12, 2020 12:56 pm  

In addition, (in high school) if you were going to miss practice that day, you were required to tell me in person; not through a text, phone call or parent.  I think it's another reason we had such high attendance for practices as players did not want to have to tell me face-to-face that they were taking the day off.  lol

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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JustPlay
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September 12, 2020 7:31 pm  
Posted by: @coachdp
Posted by: @rjbthor

He told me we will just make Johnny a 10 play kid. 

--Because his parents didn't get Johnny back in time?  Wow.  And what if Johnny's your best Center?  

*** He is not the best, but is good. Replacement center did well today. This was the HC thought. not mine.

"Do I punish the kid for parents not respecting the team?"  

--Y'know, this is really such a ridiculous question.  How does a coach "punish parents" anyway?  Gonna make 'em run laps?  

*** accountability is a better way.

This is clearly a case of a parent who has a a close relationship with our HC and abused it. We should have had a backup ready, but alas we are all imperfect.

--It's not about being "imperfect."  It doesn't take some sort of advanced coaching skillset to know you need backups ESPECIALLY at positions like Center or QB.  Stuff happens. What if he'd planned on playing but was sick?  What if he was playing in the game and was injured?  When I coached youth ball, 90% of the time we participated without 100% attendance from our players.  And whether we knew about it in advance, or had no idea why Johnny missed the game, we had a backup.  That's just common coaching football sense.  

*** Well it was imperfect. Again I handle the Defense no the O. I understand what you are saying. However he way it went down was BS.

--Of greater concern to me is how you're looking to handle it.  "Should we punish the parents?"  "From now on Johnny's a 10-play kid."  "Clearly the parents are abusing their relationship with the header."  I'll suggest that you read what you've posted a few more times and think about whether you're overreacting.  By all means, have whatever parent/player rules you want, but you're taking one situation that's should be simple and easy to handle and are contemplating making it worse.  Poor Johnny..."That'll teach him for going on vacation!"

--Dave

*** That was the HC saying that not I. Plus it was punish the player - should have said make him accountable.From how today went I think Johnny just lost his starting spot because the replacement played better than him. We would have never known that.

 

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JustPlay
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September 13, 2020 2:40 pm  

BTW - yesterdays results vs the undefeated team 35-14 us.

It was 14-14 at half. They were a small team that did someting unique. At the snap they pulled back on defensive line and attached the edges of the wedges a second or so later. Our guys kinda stopped and it fouled us up till we made the half time adjustment. On defense they spread us out and picked on my small FS. big tall kid vs short kid. FS was in position just too tall of a kid. They had two TD scores of 50 yards each on this FS. At half time we made a little adjustment to drop my larger MLB into pass coverage for the taller slot receiver on a few occastion and brought up the FS to patrol the middle. We ended up with 3 picks ( 1 pick 6) 7 tlf in the second half. Good effort from the line on both sides of the ball. Had a little fireball join the Dline and use his quickness to cause havock.  Favorite part of the game. 1st series of the second half. They had a great run back on the kick off. They started on our 20 and got fown to the 1. We held them 4 sraight posessions and took over on downs. Go D!

 

We have a bye next week. This year the league manditory no practice on the be week so am going fishing tomorrow.

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CoachDP
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September 14, 2020 10:22 am  
Posted by: @rjbthor

We held them 4 sraight posessions and took over on downs. Go D!

When you took over at your one, what was the result of your offensive series?

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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JustPlay
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September 19, 2020 2:33 pm  

td drive.

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CoachDP
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September 19, 2020 5:24 pm  
Posted by: @rjbthor

td drive.

Wow, 99 yards on how many plays?

--Dave

"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement: "I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

#BattleReady newhope


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JustPlay
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September 22, 2020 6:01 pm  

@coachdp It was a grind. 13.

 

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